I bought a PS3 and sold my 360 (which then died on the buyer hours later - no lie - never had an issue with it over the year I owned it - played it very, very little over that time, bought it new), though I have a core which is acting as paperweight right now (3 ringed). anyway - I like the look of the PS3 and the way it 'works' but yeah.. where's the games? I think the PS brand is akin to the Nike brand - it is seriously popular, even if it's not currently selling - they just need to turn the lights on and go at it full throttle and then they'll get their peice of cake. with real fruity bits inside.
What kind though? Christmas cake (with a wide and densly packed selection of fairly common and average fruits, but plenty of them), Genoa (more widely spread fruits, but sweeter and more candied) or like some sort of Black Forest Gateau (full of chocolate and dark cherries)? ...or a shop-bought Mandarin cheesecake (tinned fruit, gooey and contains mostly ricotta, fat and not really deserving of a cake classification)?
Crippled? Hardly. A side feature removed that has no impact on PS3 gaming is all that is happening there.
Let's not get melodramatic about it. The PS2 is STILL selling well (8 years old), PSP is gaining momentum against the might of Nintendo in the handheld market and the PS3 is still less than 1 year old. The difference this generation is that the competition has pulled its finger out and Sony are now realising that they have to do the same. With a price cut, the lack of games is now the main issue. This might be a golden cut for Sony as for the past year the PS3 has been out of reach for a lot of consumers. There are a lot of good games and franchises due soon, there is the Blu-ray and bells and whistles functionality. A 300 quid price for Christmas would sell a lot of systems in the UK and I expect the same in Europe, even if the XB360 is cheaper. The Wii will dominate the sales though, I expect.
now it's official, and my (and my friends) first thought was WTF?! No PS2 backwards compatibility at all?!?! and it looks like the 60GB is to be discontinued too from the press release I read.. or did I missread something?
So what does everyone think about this no backwards compatibility business really? On the one hand I think it's pretty stupid because alot of people enjoyed just replacing their old system but keeping their games. However, I was not one of them. I kept my old system and used it to play my PS1 games all the time. The same will happen with the PS2. So really a cheaper PS3 with no backwards compatibility wouldn't bother me at all, as PS3 games are all I care about. It's not like I needed a crippled PS2 anyway. So I like the idea of a 400$ PS3 even lacking PS2 compatibility. Now if only there were more than 2 or 3 games I was interested in. --- The 60GB PS3 was going to be exhausted for awhile now to be replaced by the 80GB model. They claimed or rumored that once the 60GB is gone, the 80GB will drop to 500$.
I am a little puzzled about the move to remove PS2 support completely. Whilst I can understand wanting to trim the hardware, I'd have thought that there was enough power in the PS3 platform to support software emulation (albeit not always perfectly). I never throw stuff away, so PS2 compatibility was never going to be a deal-breaker for me, but it is a useful feature & in my case meant I could play FF:XI on the PS3 and replace the HDD in the living room PS2 with a 200Gb drive for playing imports & stuff from. Somehow, removing PS2 support feels like a mistake to me. Having it there should have brought Sony time to get some good PS3 software to market - for this move to fly, they need to start getting those blockbusters released & out there. And all this talk of cake is making me hungry...
just wait till all your PS2s die or their laser dies, see if u d like your PS3 being fully able to play ps2 games
Emulation is vital to keeping old games alive. In 20, 30, 40 years, there might not be many PS1s, Genesis' or SNES' around, so how else are we gonna play our favorite games from yesteryear? So Sony needs teh PS2 support!
World wide sony is phasing out the 60GB model. Yet Euro 60GB models are not the same as usa/japan 60GB models (one has partial ps2 hw where the other has full). I think sony will replace the 60GB in europe with the 80GB model USA has now.
The whole issue with Sony doing this is that it just kills the whole concept of console gaming: It should NOT remove features that are a major point of the console. I could understand this if Sony did this when they first announced it, but doing it a year after launch just shows they are having issues getting the cost down. Its pretty much is a giant mess: First we had the 20 and 60 GB models, which were a OK concept (20 Gig not having as much, but can upgrade the hard drive). Then it was the 100 GB, which killed off the 20 GB and made it look like Sony may be getting its act together by offering the 60 GB at a better price. Then it was revealed that it was just a method to get rid of the 60 GB version and introduce the 40 GB version, which has even more stripped out then the 20 GB version. To be honest, I am sort of glad I got a 20 GB version when I did, because I can see Sony to continue to do this. It scares consumers into thinking that there might be a "better version" down the line, and cause them to hold off. Oh, and lets not forget that the PS3 has jack for games right now. The only PS3 game in my collection is Resistance, and even then I mostly use my PS3 as a PS2/Playstation and photo viewer. Sony screwed up bad, and will have major issues this holiday season (Why does this remind me so much about TurboGraphix-16 and the Genesis? TG-16 had no games, and the Genesis at least had some titles and a decent price point to sell it).
Yeah those 30 year old Atari VCSs are really hard to find nowdays. I am really glad I bought a Japanese PS3 a few months after release as it's is a great console. Okay there aren't that many games out for it that are must have and even games like Power Smash 3 which should be brilliant are crippled against the Xbox 360 versions (no online play...), I have 10 Japanese games and most are great but none are really 'Cor blimey, the PS3 is the dogs bollox innit' and could (and have) been done on other consoles. The backwards compatability is important to me as it means that when I travel I can only take one console into the shower and still play the fantastic PS1 and PS2 games that are available. If the PS3 didn't have this then I would be carrying a PS2 slim with me as although I love a few of the PS3 games, a handful isn't enough. Although people do forget that the PS2 does have issues with backward compatability with a small number of PS1 games, although only a handful don't work and the rest have minor issues. It's amazing to see how many times Sony can shoot themselves in the nuts, it's like they want to throw the market away. They haven't learnt anything in games history about arrogance, Atari, Nintendo and Sega all did this and each time paid a price but Nintendo ate humble pie twice and still come out smelling of roses. The PS3 is an amazing machine but the Xbox 360 is cheaper, has more games and to be honest at the moment the 360 library looks nicer, so at Christmas the Xbox 360 outside Japan will sell like ice cream on hot summers day in the middle of a large park. It's still funny that sony say "PS2 backward compatability has been removed" so thats at least 1700 games then and now you can play at least 65 games... with a good number of those being available on the Xbox 360. Will the PS3 doing well in Australia and Japan it'll be interesting to see how it goes in the US and Europe this christmas...
Of course. Were the Phillips that bad? When I was modding 'Boxes they were always much better than the Thomsons, but not as good as the Samsungs.
makes me feel better about my JAP 20 GB PS3. even if i can only play it in B&W at present..... oh but i dont have any import PS2 games to play on it..... Im waiting for a chip i guess.. Oh and i would never get ruid of my PS2 anyways..
Festy, it's not a question on getting rid, it's a question of when (not if) the laser finally packs up. I had a crap time trying to find a suitable laser for the units I needed to upgrade recently. Sony no longer produce the lasers for the older style units. You may find the need to purchase a last edition slim line and tuck it away for a rainy day. That's one main reason I am pleased (as you are) that the Japanese unit will allow some form of backwards compatibility. I never use my PS1, because I relied upon the PS2's backward compatibility. I was kind of counting on the same.
