Another damn stabbing

But unfortunately that is also wishful thinking. You asked earlier why people defend guns. I can only speak for myself but for me it isn't so much about the gun itself but about personal responsibility.

I enjoy shooting and collecting guns. I realize that not everyone enjoys such things and that's fine. Whatever floats your boat. I am however also a responsible shooter. I have never shot a person or pointed a gun at someone else. Yet whenever some asshole goes off on a nut the first thing many start screaming for are broad laws that tend to only effect people like me who obey them in the first place. They would rather go for laws that treat everyone as a criminal as opposed to finding meaningful ways that only treat criminals as criminals. It pisses me off to be lumped in with that bunch.

You have stated before here about how the traffic laws in Japan are total BS. Other people in the past weren't responsible and rather than deal with them you and everyone else now has to live with the consequences of their actions. While I realize that is not entirely the same I think you would agree that in a broader sense there are similarities.

I hope that gives you a sense of at least where I am coming from.

 

The UK was founded on pillaging other nations, and their aggressive behavior can be seen in football/soccer riots that have continued up until modern times. Yet, they have strict gun laws. I will just respectively agree to disagree. I've thought about this a lot... nobody will ever change my mind, and I likely won't yours.

Yes, but most people (not just Americans) are dick heads. That's why I prefer to live in a country with a very low gun count. For the record, I don't think gun control in America will work, and I would never vote for it.

And the police in the states (most of them, not all) are any better?

This I agree with, totally, and is why I will never vote on a gun ban. I hope you vote for decriminalization of at least marijuana (if not other drugs) when they come up on your local ballot, as it is the exact same fucking argument.

Well, that's a sticky subject. One, the laws are probably there b/c they are more of a guideline than actual laws. They are only selectively enforced (even more so in the city rather than where Yakumo lives) and are rarely updated. Cabaret laws which state that any club where dancing is the main event are illegal from midnight to 5AM. Yet, there are thousands in Tokyo. Every now and again, one gets shut down. When was that law instated and by who? The 40's, by the occupational forces. Same w/ criminalization of hemp. Don't get me going on Japan's divorce laws. The Cavemen were more civilized. Most laws in Japan aren't there b/c someone abused them in the recent past. They're there b/c someone thought them up and never did anything to refine them. Again, most. Not all.

 

Exactly. The last thing we need is the idiots in this country running around with guns in their pockets.

If you live in a country where guns are permitted, great. Your life, your call. For myself I like where our gun crime per capita is at currently. I've never seen a live handgun in this country, and that makes me feel safe. If you're sitting in the States with a small armoury behind you shaking your head at my ignorance, fine. There's no real gun crime here and I like that.

 

I didn't realize my post would start the second page so I want to say that my response was to Yakumo's question.

Also, Yes the police in the US are just as useless (even worse to be honest) and yes I would vote for the decriminalization of marijuana.

 

I did get to vote on that (Proposition 19 here in California as of November) and I did vote to legalize it.

Here in the US I have never had a gun shoved in my face and in public the only time I've ever seen a gun has been in a holster or on a shooting range. What does this mean? It means I don't go to the worst parts of town with shiny electronics hoping I don't get mugged.

 

Not sure if this is a joke, but you may as well say all German people's aggression/violence is a legacy of Nazis etc. Football violence in the UK tended to come about from London criminals at certain London clubs, which unfortunately went on to became a culture for white working class men. Go to the terraces 50 years ago in other parts of the country and people

You see football violence in all other countries (ie Czech, or for an even worse example see the war started by football: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_War ), it just isn't hammered on about to the same extent by the media. UK media likes a lot of self - deprecation. Make sure you aren't confusing media hysterics over fact!

 

Please tell me that was sarcasm, You seem to fail to grasp the fact that it's easier for a dumbass to get a gun.

 

Oh yes I'm sure that is the case. However the number of gun nuts who won't shoot anyone pending the apocalypse likely have more weapons per capita than the evil doers.

 

You're my favorite conservative :thumbsup: even though I despise your views on immigration control.

I've seen many, but I am from Texas.

Well, the point of "culture" came up. For the record, Japan's past is bloody as shit, but the occupational forces and capitalism have acted a lot like a vasectomy.

 

As someone who has lived in so. california 2/3 of my life with 1 year in northern texas. When I moved to montreal 8 years ago. I felt more safe walking through dark allies at night then I did walking many streets during the day in cali.

The mentality on guns is so much better in canada.

For some reason I always thought you where from the UK like Yakumo. :redface:

 

Heh. Where I'm from, most of the criminals have stuff ranging up from Assault Rifles. The police have regular guns... and they rob you with them too. Hell, they don't even need the guns, they just extort you with a bag of drugs they "found" on you or something.

I really wish that all guns were Illegal and nobody had them... but right now, in my country, there's grenade and machine gun attacks daily.

It really makes no difference whether I do have a revolver or not. But if I could get to choose from the beginning, I'd definitely choose "no guns for anyone" - not out of law but out of principle. It's not really the guns, but the predatory culture that is making it shitty to live almost anywhere. Guns do help it a lot, though.

 

Maybe it's b/c of that retarded name God gave my family.

 

Actually I don't know what your last name is. Cant be worse then coxs or cocks (had a friend in high school with that last name).

Actually my mothers family is from texas so on her side of the family it's cobb. :shrug:

 

His familly name is the same as my country

 

When I was teaching it was an entire lesson for them to figure out I was not from England. :banghead:

Worked with a girl named Christie Kum.

 

As someone who was born in raised in Northern California (going on 24 years with a permanent address up here) I feel pretty damn safe walking the streets at night. Then again I live in Napa (the wine country) where the worst we have to deal with these days are tourists who drive like shit in the rain and a handful of neighborhoods where you either avoid walking through or you make sure your Spanish is up to speed. Hot spot for illegals due to the agricultural areas so they tend to get skiddish around people who look like they might be immigration types.

Though I wouldn't dare try to walk around in Vallejo or Oakland at night. Some parts are safe but I don't have a clue which ones are. In Vallejo though you often find parts that look rather nice and thus safe but you find out that they really aren't. San Francisco has some bad areas (Tenderloin from what I've heard) but I don't go walking around there at night alone anyway. Never have had reason to really, usually go for a party or with a group in the first place.

 

Anybody from any part of California (should) know that northern & southern California are nothing alike.

:nod:

 

You're basically in the closest thing to paradise in the continental US. I've been there a couple of times and it amazes me. Fresh air. Beautiful view, and kick ass wine to boot!

...also, what subbie said. :thumbsup:

 

Sure, I'll stir the pot. Reminding everyone that I'm not for gun control, but I have no doubt in my mind incidents like what just happened in Tucson would be far less common, (down somewhere w/ actual successful terrorist attacks) if Americans never had the right to bear arms.