I read the BBC daily to get a different point of view, but one knock I have on them is they way they can make an interesting sounding story so completely bland: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6086798.stm They spent time writing that IE7 requires a restart after loading but Firefox doesn't? Firefox has a spellchecker that you have to add-on to IE7? It's like they just got a couple of office interns to do the story....heh.
they didn't check the most important part.. if IE finally follows the webstandard or if webdesigners still have to use ugly hacks to make their sites work in IE..
You know something, I've never ever had any problems with sites loading under IE apart from those that are designed just for Fire Fox therefore won't work with anything else. IE is a perfectly good browser. Does everything you need. Why people nock it is beyond me. Yakumo
actually so far IE never rendered webpages as meant to be, but tried to enhance you browsing experience... that made the most refined and hand made pages look awful.
I have come accross many pages that make firefox go ape-shit. These are clearly designed for IE. On the other hand, the reason why I have been using FF (and Mozilla before it, and Netscape Navigator wayyy before it), is the stability of the application. IE gets quite alot of "hang-time" and is slow to respond even when closing a window. Features such as tabbed browsing, alternative skins and relative memory consumption are also key factors in my choice. Safety concerns also come to mind when talking about IE (at least older versions) PS: when making a webpage one must try and stay as compatible as possible. Personaly, I like the "simple is better" approach. Even in complex structures such as my own site ( I use multiple encapsulated frames in www.barc0de.org which I made with Dreamweaver and some manual optimizations in notepad) it is essential to test it at least in the most popular browsers (be it IE and FireFox nowadays for most windows users)
Perhaps it's the fact that when I loaded a jpeg once it shut down my computer on it's own. Thats far too much power one exploit has over a system. IE has had tons of unpatched problems that only with IE7 have been. What about all the IE6 users? To hell with them? AFAIK 7 won't do anything but XP. Correct me if I'm wrong. FireFox runs wonderfully on Win95 and probably would 3.1 if they did a build for it. Someone might have by now just for the fun of it.
well.. I just going to take a site I made as an example.. I used all XHTML and CSS to make it.. and followed the webstandard and made it 100% XHTML 1.1 compliant.. it looked just as I wanted it on firefox.. but as soon as I tried it in IE every damn thing was messed up.. so I had to google around to find a lot of different CSS hacks to fix the problems.. just so IE users could browse the site. >_<
B/c IE, just like every other program that Microsoft has published, follows Microsoft standards, not anyone elses. It's a fact that Firefox follows W3 standards closer than any other browser. It's very simple -- follow the standards put in place, and no problems. Right? No. IE has like... 90% of the web browser market, yet they don't follow the standards so you have to waste development time on writing workarounds (and testing them, of course). I'm making a few cosmetic changes to gamengai, and have run into this. It's bullshit, but it's the way Microsoft does it. Too bad W3 can't sue them like Sun did, for the way they fucked up Java. This is of cousre, setting other important things aside like features Firefox has over IE (tabs, user font selection, easy way to export bookmarks) as well as not getting butt-fucked by the million exploits that exist for IE.
Seems to me that if a site looks good in Fire Fox, then usually it will look the same in IE. Like Barcode said, I seem to find more sites that render incorrectly in Firefox, for instance sites that use a lot of Java for things like links, etc.
I use both.... For some reason after the Assembler changes went into effect I haven't been able to post new message through Firefox. There is no "post message" icon at the bottom of the screen when I start a new post. So when I want to start a message I have to switch to IE7. Also, Firefox just doesn't work on as many pages, and anytime I change my Quicktime settings it seems to not work with Firefox anymore until I add it in again. But for browsing I use Firefox becasue I like the least amount of screen space taken up by the application toolbars....
I was thinking about giving Fire Fox a go until I read that post :lol: About the tool bars, you can shrink them or remove them all together if you want. Try one of the XP skins to give it a more fuller look. Yakumo
