I always wondered when it comes to consoles built into tv's how the video quality is. I.E. is it s-video,composite, or rgb. Ones I know of are sharps nes and snes tvs as well as dreamcast divers serise. Any one who owns these know the quality of the picture is when playing the console section?
The Dreamcast Divers is piss poor composite! can you belive that!!! I blame the fact that Sega used an Aiwa TV screen. I mean, here we have the first console that's VGA compatable out of the box and they go and make a combo system with composite. yakumo
To be fair not all games will work on RGB or VGA... The Sharp Super Famicom TVs were RGB, crisp quality
The Sharp NES TVs were composite, which was actually an improvement over the RF that everyone used with their NES.
Which one of you actually opened up one of these TVs to know what it is connected to the SNES board by?
You don't need to. Anyone with a clue can tell the difference between composite and RGB. It really is that different. Yakumo
I've always wanted one of those. If they weren't so incredibly rare and expensive I probably would have had one at some point. Is there actually a way to connect a Super CD-ROM2 to it?
But that's the problem. Not everyone "has a clue". Not everyone will always realize the difference. Anyway, at first glance I thought people had disagreed about the same thing, now I reread and saw you were talking about the NES and SNES not both the SNES. It certainly would make the most sense if you built a console into a TV to use the best possible video signal from the console. That PC-Engine TV looks pretty cool. The Sharp TVs I've seen with NES and SNES looked pretty neat too. It's a shame they aren't all that common. Atleast I haven't seen that many around being shown off.
Yes, that's true but I think if someone can't tell the difference then they wouldn't really care if the image was RGB or composite. Sad really when the companies who make these combo systems don't put in the effort. I would have a RGB Divers for sure even if 1% of games don't work through RGB. In fact I think all Japanese games are RGB compatible which is where the machine was intended for so why leave it out.? Isn't it only some PAL games that have the RGB problem? There are a few Japanese games that aren't VGA compatible though but only a hand full. Yakumo
Even if RGB was a problem, why would they use Composite and not S-Video atleast? S-Video is quite a bit better than Composite even though it's not perfect either, it would still suck less than Composite. I've heard of DC's issues with RGB and VGA but never really investigated what the deal was with that since I never bought a RGB cable for my DreamCast since I haven't played DC since getting the monitor.
Only thing I heard was that games that wouldn't support vga don't work with vga cable. I haven't heard any reports of rgb issues. That pc engine monitor with the speakers does look pretty cool. Be perfect if it supports the cd attachement. Honestly if the snes tv does output rgb, I would try to get one if I had the dough to spend. I know shipping would be a bitch, but it's a cool item none the less.
Well the SNES can be hooked up to all sorts of monitors that support RGB already. The PC-Engine one looks a bit more attractive since as I recall no PC Engine outputs RGB without being modded.
Why do people keep saying this over and over? The system itself does not need to be modded. The PCE outputs RGB in exactly the same way as the Mega Drive and SFC do. It's just that the connector is a different shape...
I'd never heard that before. Do you mean the PC-Engine CoreGrafx units, DUO, both? I am under the impression that atleast the DUO doesn't output RGB, and I've seen people selling RGB modded consoles. Any clarification would be nice. I know that Genesis and PC-Engine have a similar AV connector but I think the Genesis one is more oval/weird where PC-Engine is round. But I've never seen any sort of pinout for PC-Engine showing RGB outputs. If they are there that is awesome. But this link says otherwise, http://www.gamesx.com/avpinouts/duoav.htm
Nope, no PC Engine outputs RGB from it's AV connector as standard. You either have to pull it from the EXT connector or directly from the Hu6280 chip as I had to do with my Duo R.
By the ellipses above, I was referring to the expansion connector. Still, no modifications need to be done to the PC-Engine, and it never needs to be opened up (The Duos are a different story) to get RGB. Transistors can be added inside the head of the SCART/21-pin connector itself, which is little different from the capacitors required inside the SNES' RGB cable or the resistors in the Genesis RGB cable. So, does everyone see my point?
Yes I see your point. A question though, if you modded a regular PC-Engine console to output RGB and then attached the CDROM wouldn't you be left unable to use the RGB output from the console since the CDROM interface and drive would cover up your usual AV output spot? So it seems to make more sense to modify the CDROM interface to output RGB than to modify the console itself unless it's a DUO.
"modding" is not the right word if you're just running wires off the EXT connector, but yes, it's a better idea to install the RGB amp inside the CD-ROM interface, which has a lot more free space for boards and a new connector. See here: http://www.disgruntleddesigner.com/chrisc/gotRGB/pcengine.html
