hi, i m a newbie here. have q to ask. is it true if we leave the disc long inside the console after playing for a long time. In which case, the console itself is still hot. It will cause burning mark on the surface of the disc? actually i sold that original ps1 game, yeah rare ones, to one fellow and he told me that after letting his friend check out these discs, his friends found out that there are burning marks on the discs. and based on his friends view, it is caused by above scenario. his friends work in a game shop. and his friends help him clean the dust. the problem is that i rarely touch that game. in fact, I own 2 copies in which one is original and one is cdr format. i only play using cdr one.
According to his friends who work in gameshop for a long long time, it is not on the surface, in fact the burning mark is inside/ just after surface level in which i think data is stored. and can be seen if exposed againts sufficient light. the game play fine. no loading error as scratches are minimum or probably nonexistant as i always take care of my game. according to him, his ps2 is not modded and he just turned gamer recently. so his ps2 must be new.
he later claim that his other games do not have such burning mark. he also claim feeling embarassed paying such huge amount of money($130) given the discs has such thing. I sold him lunar 2 complete box(all accesories intact) and legend of dragoon, both non greatest hit. he claim the discs also have hairline scratches which only visible if exposed under proper lighting and this add to his embarassment. i m abit surprised as i didnt know that if i m to sell thing such as collectors item, I have to take note of these. being virtually scratchfree is not considered enough. it has also to be free of burning mark. is it possible that burning mark actually happen during production? I mean do game publisher actually use super extra big burner to mass produce the original games like those *ahem* mass produce the bootleg ones? I dun want to be considered cheater so i need good reasoning to explain to him and counter his friends claim who has worked in gameshop for a long long time.
I think the guy is just being an anal arse hole. I've never heard of a game console, PC or CD Player burning the disc and I've been using CD media since the mid 80's ! Yakumo
it is not that the game is really burnt, just have some darker mark if exposed under light. I mean the disc surface itself is already black, just have some darker burnt alike dot mark like that, according to him. Not on the surface, but just inside that like i stated in post above, which i myself nvr know how to see this thing. the game itself play perfectly fine as he claimed. only that i stated that my disc is scratchfree as it is really scratchfree unless u put that under proper lighting which he claimed. All accesories are intact and just in pristine condition, the case itself is comparable to new one. he later sms me stated that the condition is not what i stated, there is hairline scratches and burning mark as his friend, who has worked in gameshop for long long time, help him expose those cds under "special" lighting in his friends shop. because of these, he said his friends who has worked in gameshop for long long time laughed at him for paying $130 for items of such condition. he felt embarassed. so i asked him if he wanted refund, he said "no" coz he like the game, only that he felt cheated and conned by me. I have traded many times and this is the first time someone accused me of this, i was like feeling shocked. I myself hav tried that out and still unable to notice the burning mark coz the disc surface is just so dark, unable to turn darker IMO.further more the surface is just a little bit reflective. but then being a commoner with virtually no technical knowledge in such area, I really need a good counter to defend against him and his friend who has worked in gameshop for long long time.
I understand what you mean. You mean the data layer is burned which is actually the layer under the lable of the disc. "Special Lighting"?? What's he on? I was the manager of a software department for 3 years. There's no such thing as "Special Lighting" I tell you that he's trying to rip you off. If the game works prefectly and looks mint then that's good enough! If you can only see these defects under a so called special light then how the hell are you meant to know they were there in the first place! Tell hime to take a picture of these burn marks. Yakumo
upss it seems i have created a bit misunderstanding that probably put his friend at disadvantage. it is not a special lighting, i just mean it is just a stronger lighting, like put the disc closer to light source and observed the disc thoroughly. I have tried this out and just don't know how to see those burnt mark. is it really true that such method exists? thanks yakumo, liquilt and hl178 for your helps.
I'm going to have to agree with Yakumo here. You're being conned in a big way. I would tell the guy to politely (or not so politely) sod off. Chances are good he doesn't even have a "friend at a game store" and is simply making up the story to try and get some money out of you. If this "friend" is real, I'd bet a tasty dinner that he's 1) an idiot and 2) using a blacklight as his "special" light. When CDs are mass producted they are not burned, but rather pressed. After the AL data later is stamped it is encased in plastic. Now that plastic is quickly cooled to produce the CD. However it doesn't always cool at exactly the same rate and can produce small stress lines that are invisible to the naked eye. These can be revealed under a blacklight but they most certainly are NOT burns. They are just a natural part of the manufacturing process. As for his hairline scratches, if he's using a blacklight he's probably seeing small dust bits on the disk and mistaking those for scratches. In short, a pressed CD is made of AL and plastic. A laser in a game machine cannot "burn" it in any way shape or form unless said laser is horribly, horribly defective and fed with an incredible amount of power. The only other way you could "burn" a CD is to have the internal power supply overheat and start melting. -hl718
On a commercially pressed cd, I highly doubt that you could ever have a game console burn the data layer unless you somehow left the laser reading the exact same spot on the cd for an extremely long period of time. Not gonna happen though. If the guy isn't full of shit, he might be seeing the track dividers on the cd. Sometimes you can see the lines that divide one track from another on a cd if you hold it at an angle... might be what he's talking about.
if there's some black spot or whatever on that disc...well it's a damage from something else but definetly not from the laser! the lasers built into a video game console are so weak that you have to put em about 100 years pointed to a piece of paper to see a result...
hi, h1718, thanks for the detailed explanation. actually he is a she. yeah actually i tried to cover her gender. she actually is very friendly. nothing wrong with her. I only doubt her friend's statement. so please dun attack the buyer. ;-) hehe it is true that her friend work in one of the biggest game retail in my country. so that s why i consult you guys so I really have some reasoning. she didnt try to rip me off. in fact, i offered refunding her money but she said that s unnecessary as she just need the game in working condition. it is just because i stated that i nvr really play the game which i truly do only try few minutes to see if it s working and the game is scratchfree in my description of item. In which later her friend found out after exposing under light that the item is not in such condition. she actually sms me just to state the situation she is in. it is her friend laughed at her and have a thought that i have conned her to pay items at high price ($130 USD). her friend claim is that it is heat that cause such burnt mark. the disc is put too long inside heated console and such case happens, which i hav never heard before. thank you also to liquitt and kingofthelobster.
My opinion is that she wants some of her cash back, and that she invented something as an excuse, and added a "friend working i a gameshop" to back up her statements. I have Never ever heard of that, and believe me, if it existed, paranoiacs collectors would be on the case, and we would have heard about that way before. And , also, its not because someone is working in a video game shop that you can believe (or trust) him. Sometimes they dont even know what they are talking about, but they are video game sellers, so everyone believes them.
The only way you'll have a burning mark is if you put the disc in a 72x CDROM drive and do a spin/read test. You'll hear your disc crack and break apart inside.
That's only because the edge of the disk will be doing 1.3 times the speed of sound! :lol: As for a burn mark, it's impossible to do on a stamped disc. IMPOSSIBLE. Even if you mysteriously had a laser that was strong enough (impossible for a cd reading laser) the foil that makes up the game would disipate the heat long before it left a mark. I see tens of millions of discs a year, and not one has ever been returned because of a "burn mark". If somehow there was a spike in the voltage in your playstation, the reflection of the beam would blow out your laser before it could ever leave a mark. The disc would survive with no signs of damage, the playstation would be dead. Besides that, the focus of the reading laser is only about the width of a human hair, if it were to leave a mark, your eyes could never see it. Just to reiterate my point, there is no possible way on the face of the earth for there to be a burn mark on those discs.
he claim that it is not the laser, but the heat of the console cause this thing. putting the disc too long inside the heated console will cause this. that s what her friend, who has worked in gameshop for a long long time. i myself seriously doubt that, but i need logical explanation. so can I conclude that not even the heated console, not just laser can caused a mark on the data layer of the disc? also there wont be possibility that the burnt mark to occur because of heated console unless it occurs during manufacturing process?
still not going to happen... PlayStations just don't get that hot... and even if they did, there would be obvious warping to the disc. The only way there could be marks on the data layer of a disc is if the disc has physicly seporated in half. It can't oxidize as there's no oxygen to get in there, it's sealed. Besides, it's black. What sort of marks can it leave? If she pulls out a black light, chalange her to open any sealed playstation disc and not see the same marks.
I definitely agree with ProgrammingAce there. Playstations just don't get that hot that they could ever damage a cd like that... I've left mine on for days with a disc in and never had an ounce of damage. Ever leave a cd on a hot car dash in the sun during the summer? Even then they won't burn, the only thing that ever happens is that the shiny layer sometimes bubbles and seperates. This can happen fairly easily with a burned cd, but with a pressed cd it is much less likely to happen unless you subjected the cd to a good deal of heat for a good amount of time. From the sound of it though, you took good care of your game so we can probably rule that out as a possibility.
