Chinese Fur Factory

As blokes, most of us at least, we don't wear fur I guess, but just take a look at this website and the video if you may.

I am posting this, because I had a hard time understanding the (social and personal) culture behind such an act.

I strongly advise anyone who cant bear seeing animals being skinned alive and kicking not to watch this video, but just read the text of the article.

NOT suitable for children and people with heart conditions, for sure.

On a sarcastic note, show this to a lady relative that loves the fur and see how they like wearing it

EDIT: apparently i forgot ton include the link, embaressing to say the least

 

"Because a fur's origin can't be traced, anyone who wears any fur at all shares the blame for the horrific conditions on Chinese fur farms. The only way to prevent such unimaginable cruelty is never to wear any fur. "


And thats why I hate PETA. With them it's all or nothing. They apply that logic to everything they do. I don't condone the mistreatment of animals at all, but to say that anyone who wears fur is to blame is just wrong. That same philosophy could easily be applied to games.

Because little Jimmy played GTA and shot up the school, everyone who plays GTA is to blame. The only way to prevent such unimaginable cruelty is to never play any games.

 

Well obviously, PETA's approach is dumb. You can't not use animals, as we have for thousands of years. My only disgust related to the contents of the particular video that I saw.

Your argument about GTA is flawed however. Due to the "product" being comprised by components of unknown origin, anyone who wears fur (PETA's statement) might be potentialy carying part of the "guilty" product.

Whereas whoever plays GTA is not a component of a greater product. The chain of causation ends at the receiver (the player) of the game, so it would be unrealistic to blame "others" for the acts of an individual. Same thing with a serial killer that likes watching television programs such as "friends". Just because he is in some subjective way inspired by the TV program, that doesn't mean that everyone who watches it is to be expected to act according to the serial killer's conduct.

 

I can't say about PETA, since they don't seem to have a comparison in Britain (they certainly seem to manage to get more negative than positive response), but the bit I highlighted above is just illogical. If you buy shop-bought fur you don't know where it's come from, so it could have come from China, therefore you're potentially funding animal abuse. As a statement of fact that's unassailable.

 

Well technically it's all a matter of degree Alchy.

To ignore the fact that one's fur is carrying more probably than not some part of a "guilty" fur is not an excuse. The reason that I m saying more probably than not is because China's fur industry is unregulated and China is the provider of more than half the furs worldwide. So to say say that one indeed carries blame on them, logicaly, is fair. Because it's more probable than not, as we would put it in law. The test for criminal conduct is obviously to prove something beyond reasonable doubt, but we're not saying that fur-wearers are criminals, but they carry some amount of blame, porportionate to the amount of "guilty" fur they have on their coats.

The only real way to avoid this since it's a balance of probabilities is to keep clear all-together on this particular issue.

This conclusion would differ greatly if China only provided less than half the furs in the world, since on a balance of probabilities this was more inprobable than not.

 

I appreciate it's all a matter of degree, that's why I said "potentially". When you buy games that are made in China you're potentially funding sweat-shop working conditions. There's a risk of abuse in every product that isn't made in front of you. Fact is the probability of this particular one, as you point out, is high (and especially horrific), which is why it should be avoided.

 

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/ :katamari2


I don't think it ok to kill animals in a brutal way like that, but if they are killed proparly I don't have any problems with fur.. I wear leather jackets too.

 

I know everyone here is going to accuse me of starting (yet another) argument but...

People don't work in these places because the want to, they do it to feed their kids, to keep a roof over their heads. I'd rather see every cute little animal stripped bare than have a person starve to death.

And PETA is the biggest bullshit terrorist fuckers in the world. They openly give money to the people who ruin labs, threaten scientists and generally fuck things up. Would you rather have a cure for AIDS / Cancer / Asthma, or would you be happier knowing you let a few mice out of their cage?

Harming animals is not nice, but sometimes it is necessary to do it.

 

Well first offf Chinas Military was made out of the Villagers. Kinda like those movies where you see all the men run away to war and make love to some women.

Secondly in Japan you can be abum and still live peacefully. In that if you tour Japan 24/7 you will see bums at night setting camp for miles. However in China you are just a bum and not living sparingly but a bum who was kicked out of there provence, or was a bum for life like in India.

Also most of the Villagers regaurdless if living in a house or not in a house work in the factories where the more family you have the more money you make and that one person who brings home the bacon is respected.

Lastly guess what in a country where the is a overload of people you would think that people are all okay with everything and is. Where women of unwanted pregnancys can sell there fetuses, or women can sell there milk, again lastly you think anybaody cares abourt animals when a young man coming home from school is beating the snot out of by sharp shoe body gaurds commanded by a hospital owner who says 3000 to the first person who kills him??? OH:

Who cares about Animals China is screwed up the Ying Yang and is not like back in the days where you can enter tourneys and live of the land. :noooo:


Now here is a nice China NEws Blog

 

Yeap, China is messed up in its entirety. If this is what happens to animals, I can imagine what happens to people.

 

Just because worse things happen in the country don't excuse actions like this. I might not be able to stop the Chinese government from imprisoning people who use the word "democracy" in a favourable light, but I can avoid buying furs. No demand for fur = no fur factories.

Harming animals in this way isn't "necessary" at all.

 

Tell that to the man who feeds his family from bear dancing, skinning or hunting. It's very easy to judge when your belly is full and there's plenty of opportunity. You think these people grow up aspiring to work as slaves in the fur trade? No. But it's a thousand times better than starving.

At the end of the day, they are only animals. They'd eat you given half the chance. 90% of what PETA say is propaganda.

 

What I find strange is, why keep the animals alive when skinning anyway?

Costs for evt. poison to harmlessly put them down with should be covered by the increased production they have by not having to waste time on 'struggling' with a living animal.

I know that fûr factories often have a low 'living standard' for their animals, but there is something that often goes through all of these too, and that is that several animals can't be used, as they pick up deseases, they start harming themselves and evt. other animals and such, rendering lots of fûr (and also evt. meat productions, in cases were everything is used) wasted and totaly useless

It's more as if it's lazyness from people that is the reason for why the animals are treated bad than actualy business reasons :/

 

I'd have to agree with you there.

I think they're going to sell the meat for people to eventually consume...

 

At the end of the day, you are "only" human. The main difference in fact is that, while they'd eat me given half the chance, I can choose not to torture them or eat them. I'm not some crazy vegan, I don't mind killing an animal if it's for food, but I don't see why that has to involve horrendous pain on behalf of the animal. It's slightly disturbing that you're going out of your way to support that.

I'm not basing any of my argument on what PETA says, I don't know anything much about that organisation.

 

the reason that they don't "clean" kill an animal (ie cut its throat as in slaughtering) is to avoid blood-stains on the fur (which hardens and cloaks) and "ruining" the continuity of the fur from head to toe. They don't want any cuts or wounds.

Electrocution, poisoning etc, are not ideal of course, and they are slow and painful deaths, but I "think" it's nothing compared to getting skinned alive. What strikes me as odd is why they didn't kill the poor animal upon skinning it before thrown in the pile. Hadn't it suffered enough?

Anyway, to hell with fashion that includes fur in the first place. I personaly don't like it as a style, and further to knowing the process of fur coat making etc, I don't want to have any part to it or spend my hard earned cash on it. I'd rather get more video games than pay to anally electrocute a Fox.

 

The same could be said of any consumer good. Take food for example, if you think that you have never consumed any meat from an animal that was killed inhumanely you are kidding yourself. The fact is for the most part we have no idea what is happening to these animals in the slaughterhouses. So according to Petas logic (which you seem to agree with) anyone who consumes any kind of meat is funding animal abuse. Again no way am I advocating animal abuse, but if I were the type of person that wanted to purchase a fur garment I wouldn't think twice about it. Is there a possibility that the fur came from a Chinese fur factory? Absolutely. There is also a chance that the double cheeseburger I had for lunch was from a cow that was bludgeoned to death or that the shirt I bought last Tuesday was produced in a sweatshop by a seven year old girl. According to Peta all these things are partly my fault. So is the answer to stop eating meat and sew my own clothing? We as consumers can't be held responsible for the chance that someone, somewhere along the supply chain might have done something wrong. Now if you know for a fact that your new fur coat came from a place like this then obviously that is different. But If we as consumers boycotted every product that had the possibility of being produced improperly we would all still be living in caves carrying clubs and wearing animal pelts.

Harvested properly of course.

 

Point taken, but meat manufactured in my country has regulations which are upheld by dedicated government agencies. I know meat I've eaten will at some point have come from inhumane slaughterhouses. The point is it's much less likely than if I buy a fur coat (or at least should be; at some point you just have to hope the law is upheld. At least there is a law there in the first place, which there certainly isn't in China). There's a difference between outside possibility and reasonable probability.

The notion that consumers can't be held responsible for the methods used to create the products they buy is absurd. I guess investing in companies who are known to seriously violate human rights is ok too, then - after all, you're only funding them. It's not your problem what they do with your money, right?