Component upscaling for PS2

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  1. Lum

    Lum Officer at Arms

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    I have one of those HDTVs that doesn't accept 240p over component. Annoying because it lacks an ideal PS2 solution. Especially after I bought a modded system to play imports.

    Composite or s-video means every game is playable. But then progressive scan mode can't be used.

    Component enables 480p, yet means 99% of PS1 games show no picture at all (along with specific low-res PS2 titles like Disgaea).

    Yeah, I'm aware this issue also applies for Gamecube/Wii. No need to bother because AFAIK the *only* known affected disc-based release is Mega Man X Collection. Which my PS3 upscales its PS2 version fine enough.

    Anyway. So a simple external scaler to suit me shouldn't need to actually convert the component signal to another encoding format such as HDMI. Just upscale resolution. Is what I'm thinking of available, or affordable if so?
     
  2. ASSEMbler

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    VD-Z3 or X2VGA and just use your monitor
     
  3. Lum

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    Interesting... I'm not too familiar with those. Don't most adapters of that kind, only work for games that contain 480p mode?
     
  4. Alchy

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    I had a similar issue about six months ago and found that the common chipset that's included in "game upscalers" like the VD-Z3 is basically not so good. I could never get the colour balance and contrast I wanted despite lots of messing around and there were other visual defects. Negligible gains for 480p via VGA rather than 480i RGB SCART.

    Most of them do support deinterlacing for 480i signals and actually do a surprisingly good job of it. This is important for you because what gets termed "240p" is technically sent as a 480i signal, so if it didn't support 480i you wouldn't see anything at all.

    Be aware that all these cheap boxes will take your 240p and simply linedouble it. This means no scanlines and an image that's almost twice as bright as it should be.
     
  5. Vosse

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    Can't recommend my XRGB-2+ enough.
     
  7. Lum

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    I think we're getting somewhere! What I'm encountering has one very specific cause: 240p resolution being received from component input.

    In other words nothing more or less than an interlacer to 480i would correct the problem.

    For now s-video is my best compromise between image quality and compatibility. All 240p games play that way, at the expense of 480p mode (not like PS2 has many of those I'd care about). :thumbsup:

    Still, yes. I will need an RGB converter/scaler if I decide to mod my older consoles for that. Most USA TVs don't have SCART.
     
  8. Vosse

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    If you read through the whole site, you'll find one that exactly fits your needs I bet.

    There is tons of them.
     
  9. APE

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    There is an elf floating around on the internet that supposedly enables 1080i for a lot of games though from what I've read it's support is limited and how well it works is somewhat hit and miss.

    Worth trying if you have FreeMCboot
     
  10. Lum

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    Force 1080i in PS1 games? Now that sounds awesome.

    Yet another solution is to use actual PS1 hardware. Because component cables are not compatible with a stock PS1, this particular issue cannot occur using one.
     
  11. Johnny

    Johnny Gran Turismo Freak and Site Supporter 2013,2015

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    I think the easiest solution to play PS1 games on an HDTV are:

    - Use the PS3
    - Use a PC emulator (this can help making games look better)
    - Use the PS2 through component + upscaler. The upscaler gonna cost you a considerable ammount of money, and it's only worth it if you use it with other consoles.

    To be honest i prefer playing it on my old 14' CRT, on the original console.
     
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  12. Alchy

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    From what I remember, the PS2 HDTV elf (or the commercial disc release with component cables... can't remember the name now) basically forces the higher horizontal resolution but can't do so for the vertical resolution, so unless your TV can massively stretch vertically you're going to be looking at a very squished letterbox. It's been a while, though, so maybe there's a further workaround.
     
  13. Vosse

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    I do too sometimes depending on the game.


    However the original PS1's output res is so small it always has so many scanlines D:


    I played legend of legaia earlier this year on my PS1 through composite on my Digital flat screen SDTV(which uses component for better native input) and my eyes were a hurtin'.

    So , using the original console will produce good results on old tube CRT's. But not so much on newer CRT's since the PS1 doesn't have component cable support. And using an emulator or a ps3 on an HD set is your best bet.
     
  14. ploder

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    I don't know about PS1 but there are definitely methods to force higher resolution in PS2 games. I tried my best to summarise some of this over at Eurogamer (don't know how technically correct I am in my descriptions) but here it is for your convenience:

    1. Relying on the games developers themselves to give you the option in game. Some games have it hidden and you hold triangle and X while booting up. This would be the simplest way since they will have programmed the games to use that resolution properly.

    2. Xploder HTDV disc/Xploder.ELF. This piece of software/homebrew elf forces the PS2 into using different video modes. Bear in mind that software can't do anything which the hardware wasn't made to do. People found out that the PS2 is technically capable of outputting up to 1080i on TVs and other resolutions via VGA (vesa). These guys just made the software that enabled this. The results of using this won't always be great since obviously the games were never adapted for these resolutions.

    3. Cheat code discs. Following on from above software only gives sets of instructions to hardware. It should therefore be possible to make your own instructions using cheat codes if you can hook into the memory addresses. Fortunately, if you have some knowledge of MIPS assembly you can do this with cheat discs like Xploder. This is how X/Y-fix and 60Hz (switch video mode to NTSC) codes were born. You can theoretically unlock all the PS2's video modes with 'cheat codes' if you have the skill.

    4. Softmodding. Via the latest softmodding methods you can run a homebrew app known as GSM which allows you to force any resolution the PS2 is capable of achieving. Another thing is that the PS2 can go down the PC style route instead of using component via HDTV. You can actually force even higher refresh rates outputting to a computer monitor via VGA cables and a VGA box. For info on this see here:
    http://psx-scene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61808
     
  15. CRTGAMER

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    Xploder HDTV Player.

    I have it and it does kick up the resolution with mixed results, only on PS2 games. 480p looks great, an improvement over 480i. Unfortunately HDAdvance/HDLoader installed games won't work. Any higher resolution resulted in a reduced off center image. Maybe useful if your HD has good controls for zoom and stretch like a computer monitor.

    There are PS2 games that support 480p out of the box. Grand Turismo 4 and Tourist Trophy can go to 1080i without a software mod.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_2_games_with_HD_support

    I reviewed the Xploder HDTV Player at my Home Page.

    [​IMG]
     
  16. APE

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    The only reason I can think of that would prevent HDLoader from working with it is the same reason the GameShark/Action Replay wouldn't and that has a known bypass.

    You basically have to rebuild the game's ISO to INCLUDE the Action Replay as the main executable which then chainloads within the ISO to boot the game with cheats applied.

    http://www.maxconsole.net/showthread.php?14764-Action-replay-with-hdadvance-or-loader-guide&

    I don't see why you couldn't apply the same methodology to Xploder but I don't have a PS2 anymore to test this out with.

    I can also tell you that from personal experience GT4 looks pretty good in 1080i but suffers from the low resolution textures that the PS2 has endemic as well as the fact my monitor doesn't play that well with interlaced resolutions. 720p looks smoother than 1080i, even when stretched.
     
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  17. Johnny

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    That's why i use my old and trusty 14' CRT. It's not even a flat CRT. I also have a 21' Flat CRT for the PS2.

    Anyway,the easiest way to play PS1 these days, if you want to take advantage of bigger resolutions of your TV, is to use an pc emulator like epsxe.

    Not only it will upscale the games resolution to what you want, smooth the sprites and textures and fix some problems of graphics (like flickering and warping polygons). And you can even improve the graphics with the use of advanced shader effects. Just use the VGA port or a DVI to HDMI cable to connect it to the HDTV.

    Actually i think that happens more because of lack of disc space. For example, GT4 Prologue New York track has better and more detailed textures than the GT4 one. And i don't even have to remember which one came first.

    Anyway, i wish there was an easy and painless way to connect the PS2 to a computer monitor through VGA.
     
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  18. Lum

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    Er, guys. Slow down. You're misunderstanding me. My TV does support both 480i and 480p over component. There's no real practical benefit for me to run such programs on any title running at either of those modes.
     
  19. Vosse

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    Yeah, after I played it on my PS1 , I also loaded it in PSXE with all the best possible settings and it looked twice as good -______-
     
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