Consumer waste sidecars?

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  1. XsV161

    XsV161 Member

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    Maybe not the best title...

    I'm seeing more and more sidecars or sidecars + kits for sale on sites like taobao.

    Here's a few links for example:

    Sidecar only: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=7805940915

    Sidecar + XDK: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=4692650011

    I bought one of the sidecars about a week ago and just received pictures of it from the yoybuy agent. I'll let you guys know how it works and looks close up when it comes in a few weeks.

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    It looks like it has 5/6 pins intact which is better than no pins intact.

    My question is how are the Chinese getting these? Is Microsoft sending these in for destruction?
     
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  2. Juggahax0r

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    I personally don't give 2 sh*ts about my sidecar it's been off for a while now. I do have a 213W PSU and the only benefit you get from an old sidecar is the PIX port and DVD emu. I haven't done much with either.

    Debugging is done over ethernet for the most part although PIX does give you a ton of info most of it is not needed unless you are doing Kernel debugging.

    I could be wrong but i seemed to remember PIX also working over LAN. Now if it were a newer sidecar off of a Jasper Final XNA with the extra ram add-on that would be different. But i don't know how the ram add-on connects and if it would still connect to a Xenon with some soldering of course to add whatever pin headers it might require.

    To answer your question on the source of them..I don't think anyone really knows or cares to be honest. Some of them have broken ports that need to be repaired and other problems. The one you have listed their looks like a working running XDK maybe some people sell them broken and others buy them broken and repair them and sell them. Seems like that is a Chinese Ebay of sorts except you don't bid.

    This probably just belongs in the "Consumer Waste Devkit" thread it's pretty much what that whole thread is about. Just some friendly advice.
     
  3. Doom

    Doom Robust Member

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    Actually, the extra ram is on the XNA motherboard, not car.

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  4. Cancerous1

    Cancerous1 Rapidly Rising Member

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    Nice find, thanks for linking us.

    And yes they are, there was an article in some industry-trade news about this I think feb-march this year? If I can find that source again I'll cite it.

    want to trade ?

    I was misinformed about that as well, thanks
     
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  5. Aaron

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    The extra RAM is in the sidecar, not on the motherboard

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    That picture is from, what was dubbed as "Frankie, the 1GB dev kit" with everything from the sidecar except the RAM torn down
     
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  6. Doom

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    [​IMG]

    Clearly not Ram.

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  7. Aaron

    Aaron Rising Member

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    Then why is the sidecar even necessary for the XNA dev kits to have 1GB memory or like the one shown, actually have that portion ripped out and still have the 1GB ability, but without that portion NOT have that ability?
     
  8. inspuration

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    Actually, the extra ram is on the sidecar, however only xna boards have the ports for the ram extension.
     
  9. Doom

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    taken a few months ago~

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    Watermarks purely to help keep the images from being used in fraudulent sales across the net, etc.

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  10. bob

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    Why does the sidecar on the left have an ethernet port, but the right one does not?

    Thanks
    Bob
     
  11. Juggahax0r

    Juggahax0r Member

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    So then my question to you Doom - Is what is the purpose of being able to select between 512 and 1024 RAM...

    Is that for testing software as a Retail machine without the extra available. The reason I ask is because the way I understand it the extra ram is just for debugging.

    Also....Is that ram available with the sidecar removed? I can see now that the add-on board is actually ethernet and not a USB plug that was my mistake.
     
  12. sneakypeanut

    sneakypeanut Pika CHUUUUUU!!!

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    so does the xna sidecar connect to the motherboard differently to a normal one?
     
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    the xna-sidecar need extraheader at mainboard for the 512mb board. The rest is normal connected like the older sidecars.
     
  14. sneakypeanut

    sneakypeanut Pika CHUUUUUU!!!

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    any one got a picture of how it connects to the board then this pin header
     
  15. Doom

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    Again, there is no additional RAM in the sidecar.

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  16. ddxcb

    ddxcb Gota J.T.A.G. That Xbone Yo.

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    On-topic.

    here is my theroy on the xna dev kits with 1gb ram.

    there typical jaspers dev kits with 1gb ram on the motherboard, as my retail jasper only have 4 ram chips, wile the dev ver of it can have all 8 ram chip = to 1048mb of ram.
     
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  17. inspuration

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    Only XNA boards xna have the headers for extra ram.
     
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  18. raylyd

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    I need a side car shell replacement please give me a new link thanks.
     
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