Difference between 260 Kiosk and retail

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  1. macwest

    macwest Resolute Member

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    Anybody know what the difference is between first reelase kiosk 360 and retail 360 systems?
     
  2. Sally

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    Mainly in the little box that connects to the video port, it disables memory card 2 and moves it to the front panel. Plus it uses a different hard drive. If you swap the HD for the retail model you'll be able to save to it again.
     
  3. macwest

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    I wonder if the dashboard is identical. I have heard early versions were more of a debug dashboard but I could not confirm or deny this
     
  4. Sally

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    Same as retail i believe. At least i haven't seen any major differances. I'll check out the version number next time i'm at a store...

    The consoles themselves are just retail models.
     
  5. macwest

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    i wonder why they did a pure white case compared to offwhite?
     
  6. Sally

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    I'm colorblind, i never noticed there was a difference. I would think because off white looks like crap under flurescent/display lighting, but who knows. The kiosc models are the earliest retail 360's out there. It's possible that the color was a last minute change before full production started.
     
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    Many early 360s are incapable of connecting to XBL. The EEPROM simply isn't configured for it. If you purchase a kiosk model don't be suprised if it cannot go online.

    -hl718
     
  8. macwest

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    I have heard they have a larger hard drive than retail. Does anyone lknow why?
     
  9. atomiX

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    Possibly to store extra videos and demos? Just speculation. I dont know if they even have a larger HD.
     
  10. Sally

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    Nope, it's just a different "style" hard drive. It has files on it strictly formated to tell the system that it's a kiosc. You can't save games to the kiosc hard drive, it has an identifier to tell the system. If you put a retail hard drive on there, you'll be able to save fine.
     

  11. ...Hopefully the one you recently won on ebay will still have the demo disc in the drive :)
     
  12. Sally

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    You probably shouldn't ship a 360 with a disc in the drive...
     
  13. macwest

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    It sounds like it does. Although I already have an original 1.0 Kiosk disc so if it is a duplicate i will have it for sale. I am hoping these early versions of the KIOSK have adifferent dashboard than the retail version. I have heard so many different things on early verion KIOSk I am curious to see what the box can really do.

    The guy I won it from has no way to power it up so do not have much of a choice
     
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  14. Sally

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    There's the little emergency eject right under the dvd bezel. Have the seller pop a paperclip in there and the door will open right up. If there is a disc in the drive, you risk damaging the laser (and since the drive is tied to the machine, it's not possible to swap a new drive) or damaging the disc.
     
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    I appreciate the advice but it is already in route.

    Are you kidding on drive tied to machine? that sounds nutts why would they do that?
     
  16. Sally

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    Oh, well, then i wouldn't worry too much. Should turn out ok.

    Almost all of the removable parts of a 360 are tied to the eprom. For two reasons mostly:

    1. Security. You can't have an attack on the dvd drive's firmware if every unit has unique firmware. Makes it pretty hard to download cracked firmware off of the web when everyone has their own unique encryption.

    2. Profit. Microsoft went well out of their way to ensure that the original launch xboxes shipped without defects (look at the gpu fan on the 1.0 models, microsoft knew it wasn't necessary but thought it would help in case there turned out to be any unforseen heat issues). They skimped a bit on the 360 launch... Microsoft sees all of the "replacement" DVD drives for the original xbox being sold on ebay. They don't want users doing their own repairs, if your drive dies in 2 years, you'll either be paying microsoft to get it fixed or you'll be buying a new 360. Either way MS makes a profit.
     
  17. hl718

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    It is a well known security feature of the 360. You'll understand why it is needed if you look at the recent Xbox DVD hack. ;)

    -hl718
     
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    Interesting to know. I guess if you have an issue you could repair parts of it at the micro level. Just makes fixing it a little harder.


    I will have to find it and see. :)
     
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    I've been looking for this too but, as far as I know, the hacker has not released the hacked firmware to the scene.
     
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