Diffrents between Test and Development Kit

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  1. Dabman

    Dabman Guest

    Hi, can someone write discription about diffrents between two kits?
    ( XBOX360 and XBOX )
     
  2. KIWIDOGGIE

    KIWIDOGGIE Peppy Member

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    For Xbox1 I think there were only Debug and Development Kits. I do not know much about the other differences than the color.

    For Xbox 360 Test kits are normally just what they get in studios to "test" their games. You can see them in pictures of EA studios. They sometimes come with a sidecar. BUT they cannot kernel debug nor Set(Poke) Memory. A Development kit is able to kernel debug and set memory.

    That is the major differences on them.
     
  3. Doom

    Doom Robust Member

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    What kiwi said. Test kits generally are reserved for the game studios art and level design departments. It's in between a Demo Kit and a Devlopment Kit. From what I've seen, Test Kits are only white, and usually have a white sidecar with them, but they've got a piece of plastic blocking the PIX port as that requires features only a Development Kit supports(at least through the Sidecar).

    Development Kits can kernel debug, that's the ability to set or get memory, ie: editing games in realtime/on-the-fly. They have full support for both DVD Emulation and PIX Debugging through the sidecar. They're primarly meant for the programmers, engine coders, etc etc. Legitimate Development Kits are typically smokey grey with a grey sidecar.

    There's also Stress Test Kits which people consider one and the same as Development Kits. From what I've come to believe, Stress Test Kits have all the same features as a Development Kit itself, except for the fact that it's made primarily for testing the motherboard revision by MS. Typically they look like a retail premium console(white with chrome dvd bezel), except with Sidecar cables sticking out of a precut hole in the top. You can stick a Sidecar on it if you really want, and in essence, you've pretty much got a full blown Development Kit right there. From what I've seen, they typically have a sticker that says "PROTOTYPE" where it should say Xbox 360 XeDK, or Xbox 360 Console, and all the manufacture date crap.

    Lastly there are Demo Kits which are the most basic. I don't hear much about Demo Kits, but they're supposed to look just like retail consoles, except for the fact that they run on a development kernel. They can connect to PNET and run unsigned code, but that's about it. They have no debugging capabilities and I'm pretty sure they don't have any ports on the motherboard for a Sidecar. Typically they're only used in tradeshows, and events like E3. A demo kit won't scare people away like a Development Kit does :p.

    I'll leave out the Reviewer Kit type because I don't know much about it, I think it's just a Development Kit minus the grey sidecar, but I really don't know.

    Feel free to correct me anyone, this is all based off what I've picked up and my own general conclusions, not hard fact.

    -Doom
     
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  4. EazyB

    EazyB Rapidly Rising Member

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    If I remember correctly, the reviewer kit type was discontinued a while back. Also I think that the SDK recognizes 3 types of kit: Reviewer, Development, and Test. This leads me to believe that the demo kit is a development kit minus the sidecar cables, as I know they can set memory and output debug information on the network.
     
  5. TheFallen93

    TheFallen93 Spirited Member

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    Xbox 1 has two types on consoles. Debug kits, and Development kits. The debug kit is green, and has the same connections as a standard console. You can debug code and read/write memory. I don't know if you can debug the kernel, I've never tried to step into a kernel call. The Development kit is clear, and it has a few extra ports, there is a serial and usb iirc. It also has a extra board attached for the connections. I don't really know what they are for, or the differences software wise from a debug kit.
     
  6. Tyler

    Tyler Enthusiastic Member

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    well for 360, the only major difference between dev mobo and a test mobo
    bieng that dev motherboard can real time debug as where tests cant

    no matter what kit you have it falls under one of the 2 categories test or dev, (says in xna launcher)
    demo kit's can be either,

    and yea reviewer kits have a dev mobo,
    but dont have the ports to add a sidecar, i miss mine :(

    and for dooms sake lett me list all i can think of

    Xna kit (sidecar + 1g ram{512 in sidecar + the 512 in the xbox itself}) dev mobo
    dev kit (sidecar) dev mobo
    test kit (sidecar) test mobo
    demo kit_ either mobo
    reviewer kit_dev mobo
    stress test kit ( 05 ones have hole on side of case ) dev mobo
    Beta 1 kit
    Beta 2 Kit

    for xbox 1

    dev kits have

    Serial port for debugging
    dvd emulation port
    JVS (usb) Connects to arcade board, example, chichiro (blocked in dvt4)

    and debug kits dont have any of these things.
    sorry for sloppy post


    hey eazyB when you get here?
     
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  7. Pikkon

    Pikkon "Moving in Stereo"

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    Its not Vga for xbox 1 dev kits,its a serial port for kernel debugging.
     
  8. Tyler

    Tyler Enthusiastic Member

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    realy, well i just assumed it was, because in the xdk video setting it says, vga is not supported in the current release


    but yea your probably right :/
     
  9. MichaelP

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    @Tyler, it's actually 512mb of ram in the sidecar I believe. ;)
     
  10. Tyler

    Tyler Enthusiastic Member

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    Yea, but together its 1gig, i meant sidecar and 1g ram, lemme edit it not to confuse poeple
     
  11. MichaelP

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    Ah. No problem. Slightly offtopic, but just wondering why Dabman's post count says 'n/a' when this technically counts as a post. Is there there no cumulative post count in this forum or am I missing something?
     
    Last edited: Jan 30, 2010
  12. Doom

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    Means he got deleted.

    -Doom
     
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