Does Applying Jobs online requires luck?

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  1. DSwizzy145

    DSwizzy145 Well Known Member

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    Recently i'm looking into different Jobs or whatnot & every freaking single time I try to apply a stupid simple dang workplace i'd never hear anything back from Anyone! I'm seriously losing it!! Have any of you guys ever experienced this happening to ya before multiple times or once? or if not any suggestions I should consider when trying? Thanks if so :)
     
  2. ave

    ave JAMMA compatible

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    Applying is a numbers game - even the most qualified applicants will get rejected, for a variety of reasons. If you are continuously not receiving any replies, however, you may want to look at your resume and cover letter.

    There are a couple of things that are very important on the resume (apart from, of course, absolutely no spelling/grammar/expression mistakes), such as that you mention experience that is directly related to the given job specifications. If they say they need someone who is knows how to "administer databases" and has "leadership experience", you should make sure to use their own words to relate your previous experience to what they are looking for. This way they at least know that you carefully read their listing and you understand what they are looking for.

    Also, make sure every of your experience points is strong and supports the image you want them to have of you. Do not just put random jobs on the resume, such as your great achievements as a McDonald's employee when applying at Google. Select your experience that you could imagine is most related and interesting for an employer, such as technology, hobby projects, even if they have not been an as big part of your life as the McDonald's job (just an example).

    If you're still unsure I could give your resume a quick read over and see if there's anything I'd do differently. I have been in contact with my advisors from business school a lot lately and been acting as a peer advisor myself for resume building, so while I'm not Donald Trump himself I think I at least know some good basics and could offer some advice.
     
  3. Twimfy

    Twimfy Site Supporter 2015

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    Going on an average, I have applied for around 1,460 jobs in the year of 2013 and I'm still only working part time 6 hours a week in a bar which I acquired through a friend.

    I have a degree, A-Levels and a few other skills and qualifications to my name. I dress well and have good telephone manner.

    Unfortunately ave is spot on in saying it's a numbers game, it's really difficult to find employment at the moment for anyone unless you're in the right place at the right time, or if you can do something that nobody else can do.
     
  4. HEX1GON

    HEX1GON FREEZE! Scumbag

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    I've been applying for jobs since I was 16 online, and there isn't any luck. I guess if the numbers of resumes are low, you'll get a call. If there are lots of resumes then they'll just pick the top 3 (depending on what job you're applying for)
     
  5. dark

    dark Dauntless Member

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    Yep numbers game, not atypical at all to apply to stuff online and get either no response, or lots of soft rejections (many qualified applicants, sorry we cannot interview you, sort of thing). Another factor to consider, is what you suppose the demand for people in your field is, and the "supply" of your competitors.

    Without getting too specific for myself - I am in a licensed profession. There is good demand for people who have 5-10+ years of experience in the profession, and virtually no demand for people that are basically brand new to the profession and without significant experience, such as myself. That right there already reduces the number of relevant job openings at any given time that might be something I have a shot for - and to make it more difficult, there is a large supply of recent graduates or people with less than 5 years experience, who will apply for these jobs. So basic low supply, and high demand, from job seekers means my resume is going to sit in a pile of 50-100+ other resumes.

    If you want to get out of this ghetto of huge piles of resumes reviewed by some HR person who doesn't care about anything (low odds of being selected) - you need to look into directly contacting people in your field, and "networking." By networking, I suggest doing anything possible to establish a friendly relationship with people in your field who are gainfully employed, and also who might be in a position to hire you or refer you. This can be anything from cold calling on the phone or cold emailing, inviting them out to lunch or coffee to discuss their work, joining organizations (charitable or professional) for your field, calling alumni of your college. If you do this, have a copy of your resume on hand. This tends to work best in "professional" fields like finance, banking, accounting, specialized IT, etc because the people in these industries (in my experience) feel like they have some kind of special and desirable job and are more likely to feel chuffed and accept your solicitations from out of the blue, rather than being like "who the hell is this." They are also usually smart enough to know you are covertly asking for a job, and will be receptive to thinking about ways to help you/and/or drop your resume off with their company - which makes it stand out more since it is dropped off by an employee, rather than being emailed in by a nobody.

    I am an introvert, I am not naturally comfortable reaching out to strangers and trying to appear bright and energetic, but I'm able to pull myself together and do my best to impress and not make things awkward. This happens to be the only way I've ever succeeded in getting any of my jobs. And that's not from lack of sending out resumes to posted positions.
     
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  6. Teancum

    Teancum Intrepid Member

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    A few years ago I got layed off from my job. I decided to take it easy for a few months. Got on unemployment and the requirement was to apply for two jobs a week. At first I only applied for CEO jobs and such since I was taking a "break". Finally it became more urgent so I started applying for more serious jobs and got lots of calls. Unfortunately I started to realize that these jobs weren't quite what I was looking for and started dragging my feet on them. Finally I got a call for a job that was exactly what I was looking for. The recruiter asked me a few questions about my resume and asked me to clarify some things. I was worried that I had scared them away with my minimum pay. Got a phone interview that went really well, and got a job offer an hour later for well above my minimum I asked for and have had several raises since. Like AVE said it can be a numbers game sometimes. A lot of it also depends on your resume if you can make it into the pile that they are interested in then it all comes down to your interview skills. I've heard my boss complain about interviews with people. "Their resume looked really good however when I started interviewing them all they could do was throw out buzz words they weren't even listening to the questions I was asking them." I know at least where I work we will go months with out being able to fill a certain position until finally we reach the legal limit and bring someone over from India to do the job.
     
  7. DSwizzy145

    DSwizzy145 Well Known Member

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    This is very informative everyone especially ave about it being a numbers game sorta which is true & considering i'm just looking into only doing packaging or storage near my local shaws or Stop & Shop just to start small at the moment, but i'd certainly won't give up yet! If i'll ever need you to check my resume i'll be sure to hit you up though if you don't mind :) Thanks again for the suggestions you all gave me!
     
  8. whitrzac

    whitrzac Robust Member

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    I have limited experience in this area, but...

    Your applying to shovel-ware jobs. You need to find a way to get past the computer that's going through the applications and from the stack with 10,000 applications to 10.


    I've had 4 jobs, 2 were because I knew someone, 1 was because I wanted to work there, 1 was a shovel-ware job...
     
  9. BamBoo

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    I was a chef for 6 years before I was recently made redundant, anyway a friend of a friend has offered me a job in Hawaii, I have never left England in my life and it feels scary moving to a new country.
    To you guy's who have made the leap and moved country for a job is it worth it because im unsure at the moment.
    I have no kids or family so im not tied down or anything and im not broke, I could live over there for over a year on my savings alone.
     
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  10. bacteria

    bacteria I am the Bacman

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    If you only apply to jobs advertised you will be lucky to get anywhere, by definition, there will be thousands of others applying for every job (literally) which means the employer will be so spoilt for choice they will be able to fine tune anyone to specific criteria, and then by how desperate someone is for a job so they will take less money too.

    When I or my wife are looking for a new job, and it has happened a few times in recent years for sure, we have a method. It's called get off your butt and find your own opportunities. Sounds harsh but it is very true.

    Companies who advertised get bombarded by agencies when they advertise, get masses of CVs to sift through which take lots of time, and that's not including the days spent doing interviews. At least, that's how it is in many companies looking for new employees, some just interview the first 10 applicants who send through a CV and all others get binned.

    The way to get a job is to find one yourself. The way my wife and I do it is by making an introductory letter, about 1/4 size of a page of A4, printed onto card, and then driving around all companies in the area and mailshotting them after hours/weekend. The benefit to you is you have only mailed all companies you are interested in and can get to easily; their benefit is an easy option - if you are lucky and have mailed them with a quality interesting mailer at the time they are looking for someone, or about to, they may well interview you before advertising in the papers and agencies - result is they want you or they don't, if they like you you have a job, if not they advertise - that gives you a massive advantage, think about it.

    It works. My current job, and previous too, have been from this method. I've sent out applications, applied to jobs, etc like everyone else, however bottom line is my current job was from my mailing, and previous too. it works. Employers respect someone applying themselves to work rather than not; and it stands you in good stead too as it proves a grafter than a layabout, and no company wants to employ a layabout. It just means getting off your butt and finding a job rather than moaning about "how hard it is to get a job" - that is what 99% of people do which is why they don't have a job; you have to think out of the box - heck, even work for a company for a month for free if you have to on the basis of getting the job at the end of the month or leaving; if you have no option.

    You can mailshot around 250 companies over a weekend, about 4 hours work if you try; expect about 4% feedback saying they liked your approach and application; and about 2 or 3 interviews from 250 mailings on average, and 1 job offer maybe 2.

    That's my experience anyway.
     
  11. rocketblast

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    See that you acquired a job through a friend. That is how it is mostly done, 80% of the time according to the place unemployment sent me to (cal works). I got laid off from my last job a little over a year ago and the reason why I had that job was because I knew the guy's dad I went to high school with and he hired me. Though it was fun for about a year, I ended up seeing the true colors of my friend and he turned more and more into a tyrant and once they put him on a pedastal and made him supervisor (we were peers when I started), well that pretty much ended a good friendship. Not a good idea to work for friends but to have a friend help get you in a place isn't bad.

    What I know is through friends and networking is how to get jobs, especially in high tech. I'm not sure about engineering but it definitely helps.

    I have applied to 3 jobs a week ever since I got laid off about 14 months ago and only got one response on the phone (actually, more than that if you include faux head hunters and the like which are not helpful). I also had a temp staffing agency contact me. Now, from my experience working for those vile places called "temp agencies" I can tell you that some pay better than others and you had to call just once a week and let them know you are available. They will give you work, and they will eventually treat you like you are a slave but if you don't mind that, it is all good I mean something to do with your time while you look for a real job.

    Right now I'm trying to go after engineering degree, shifting focus from IT work (which is a dead end job) and hopefully I can get in touch with some engineers I once worked with and see if I can find a real job instead of the ones I have already been through, which amount to nothing more than unprofessional so-so jobs so far.

    Once unemployment completely runs out I'm going to re-strategize my job seeking habit toward internships and fixing up the resume a lot more to find a place, hopefully locally as it is difficult to make friends outside of college and outside of where I already live. From my experience anyway. There are too many rude people when you are off by yourself and trying to find new avenues, it is kinda unnecessary but that is how things are.
     
  12. rocketblast

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    Not always the case. If you go on some job seeking sites it will tally and tell you how many people have applied. The guy that contacted me for a job said that he had about 40 applicants. That hardly constitutes as thousands. It depends on where you look and how long of duration the job listing is posted. I just don't feel it is a good idea for me to take a job and relocate about 50 miles away when I don't have a college diploma yet and I am not having a hard time getting school work done where I am at right now. So I stay put. I'd rather enjoy doing school work than slaving away at another dead end information technology job with no hope of a future and a big chance of getting let go again in a short period of time.
     
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  13. rso

    rso Gone. See y'all elsewhere, maybe.

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    FWIW (different country, different job market), from my experience around a third of the time I don't get any answer at all, and another third of employers keeps silent until the end of the process (i.e. only a rejection notice). Size of the company doesn't seem to matter in this, though bigger ones tend to have applications forms (as opposed to just an email address) where you might be able to track the progress of your application through their process.

    Another thing to note is that even if you don't hear anything, that doesn't necessarily mean you're out of the game. My personal record is a reply I got after ten(!) months of total radio silence - not even one of those courtesy "we received your application, thank you" mails beforehand - offering to interview me immediately the following week.
     
  14. la-li-lu-le-lo

    la-li-lu-le-lo ラリルレロ

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    Every time I see this thread, I see "Appl..." and "Jobs" and my brain thinks you're talking about Apple and Steve Jobs. I guess I have a one-track mind.
     
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  15. rocketblast

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    I'd say that is at least slightly relevant. I mean when my supervisor tried to pull the steve jobs crap on myself and my other coworker, all it did was make me angry and the other coworker pretty much put up a wall around himself lol.
     
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