Dumbedore is GAY!!

To tolerate means to put up, to not offend and to have a neutral stance.

To condone means to support, make implied suggestions and to embrace something as desirable.

Hence, tolerating and condoning are not the same word, nor do they carry the same meaning in English language.

Saying that I m full of shit is also not an argument, and I don't know whether I should be insulted for expressing my view, despite not offending anyone.

PS: Comparing homosexuality to a chainsaw, a potential weapon, implies a lot about your view of the subject. There's no need for anger in civilized discussion, and surely no need to offend.

In more clear terms however, since this is what you seem to ask (Although I m not obliged to answer):

No, i do not support homosexuality. This does not mean I hate gay people - it means I m indifferent to their sexual preference. However, it is common sense to say that a homosexual couple can't have offspring.

Social egality has come a long way, but nature seems to be of other views when it comes to reproduction and evolution.

As for myself, I surely want grand-children one day, and for this reason support heterosexual relations.

I hope this clears any ambiguity seemingly arisen by my previous post.

 

Lol, man, you really are going to be a good lawyer, just looking at the way you word stuff says that!

 

Saying that you're full of shit was not my argument, just my frank opinion about what you were saying. My argument was that just because you tell someone that it's morally acceptable to do something, that doesn't necessarily mean that they will do it.

My reason for insisting upon this point is that many anti-gay activists argue that heterosexuality is part of the natural order of things and that homosexuality will destroy the world because people will stop making babies. Moreover, they often suggest that any sort of social norm that treats homosexuality as morally acceptable makes people in that society more likely to be gay.

I think that's bullshit, because it implies that being straight or gay is a choice that someone makes based on morals, culture, etc. It's not. A person is simply gay or is not gay. No amount of reasoning or coercing can make a gay person straight or vise versa.

P.S.: I'm sorry if my language offends you, but it's the way I honestly feel about the subject and I see no reason to censor myself.

 

Ok maybe that was strange way of saying it, he he. But what I meant was, so what if a gay man sucks cock. Many women sucks cock too. And well I support the GLBT area, so I don´t care.

I agree with that.

 

In my view homosexuality is natural as well.

In nature, you ll see many "gay" animals besides the more common heterosexual ones. There's not a fully understood picture behind this phainomenon, so I won't go into detail about it.

However, teaching about homosexuality to kids is as bad as (not worse) teaching kids about heteresexual sex.

Generally speaking, I don't think it is appropriate of matters of sexuality to be analyzed in front of young audiences - mostly because they ll be disgusted (i remember when i was 7 we thought kissing girls in the mouth was gross).

You have to keep in mind that the word "gay" does not have a meaning if not sexual. Hence, you can't explain to a child the difference between a "straight" and a "gay" character without implying or suggesting that they have different sexual preference (and thats IT!).

(Telling little johny about butt-sex isn't something he'll fully understand. Additionally, if he imagines -kids do that - Dumbledorf having butt-sex, he might (or might not) be confused of "what sort of person" this man is, considering he allows this painful practice upon himself. Kids view things very subjectively, and compared to themselves.)

But the question arises to the child's mind: "what is sexual preference?"..and that's a mine-field that kids have to explore themselves, not be fed by Hollywood (gangster-style, relationship style or whatever) or even children's books.

Concluding, the character being gay is neither here nor there. I only criticize her decision to announce this because it will lead many to pre-mature curiosity that might have confusing results for children.

 

Barc0de: how do you explain a child what a person who is gay means, is simple. You just tell them, that the person (woman or man) likes hers or his gender better than the opposite. But it surprices me, a lot that a man from Greece, is in some way homophobic, but then again it wouldn´t surprice me if you were wanking it to lesbian porn. . But as I said, I don´t care if the whole world was gay, and the only way they got children was through sperm donation where every man deposited a daily sperm dose and the women deposited their eggs once a month. But for crying fucking out loud, so what if Dumbledore is an old gay man ?
It is not like the it is the end of world.

 

could you kindly quote the words that suggest I m homophobic? If anything, the fact that I constantly tease AimBob about gay-marriage, should suggest that I m quite comfortable with who I am , hence no need to be afraid of turning gay or something.

And should you know, there's tons of gay people that I admire for their qualities and talents, like Freddy Mercury for example.


Additionally, let's make something clear about Greece:

In ancient times (ie before the plague of christian religion) homosexuality didn't really matter , people just didn't give a shit, nor did they criticize the practitioners of gay sex. Hence, it wasn't something that people would try and keep a secret.

Ancient Greece was as gay as any other current country, but they were so cool about the subject that they didn't try to conceal it, or be afraid of prejudice etc.

So, just because we were democratic and laid-back, that doesn't make us a gay nation mind you. It makes us more open-minded and acceptant of foreign views and customs =)


PS: Obviously I hate show-offs. This includes "Macho-men" and "Gay-queens" equally

 

My Mom LOVES Harry Potter. I wonder what she'll think when I tell her Dumbledore is gay?

Barcode, the Christian religion itself isn't the problem: Its the people that read the part about Sodom and Gomorrah and instantly go "I HATE FAGS BECAUSE GOD DOES"

Just look at this image:

Warning: May cause flamewars (But this thread is already in a hellish inferno)

 

I now have proof that the bitch that is JK Rowling is little more than a rich, annoying attention whore.
She's out of the limelight for 10 seconds because no one cares about her shitty books anymore, so she goes around saying meaningless comments that a) upset a lot of intolerant people, b) confuse and\or alienate a lot of young children and c) bring her back onto the front pages.

Very good comment from Digg though:
"How long until she admits the whole series is gay?"


For the record, if Jack and John want to play backyard hockey, why is it any different from if Jack and Jill are playing it? If it's because it's different from what you know and do, then excuse me while I fetch you a white robe and matching hood.

 

I completely agree with you on that point, but it seems to contradict what you said before:

What I think you are saying here (and please correct me if I'm wrong) is that teaching children that being gay is morally acceptable does not only make sexual orientation a confusing subject for them, but that it is a guarantee that that will become gay. You said it will "make sure you won't have any grand-children."

The only reason I bring this up is because I feel that it's an exaggeration that favors heterosexuality over homosexuality. I doubt that you would say that telling a little kid that being straight is good guarantees that they will be straight. Even if you did, you would be absolutely wrong because there are tons of people who were raised to be straight but later became gay.

Also, like WolverineDK suggested, explaining sexual preference doesn't necessarily involve sex. For instance, little kids often have a concept of romance before they have even a vague concept of sexuality, and this concept almost always is centered around the opposite sex. So you could simply explain homosexuality as romance between people of the same sex. There would still be some confusion, but then everything is confusing when you're a kid.

 

My thoughts exactly. And a thief at that (since she actually stole the Harry Potter idea from another (fairly well known) British writer at some convention. Sadly, apparently everyone else on the planet missed it when this was brought up by the guy and several people that had been at said convention). :-(

Granted, the guy didn't make that big of a deal out of it since he was already famous and didn't really care (and probably wasn't going to write the series anyways).

 

Barc0de: since you can´t call gay people a race, then I can´t say you are a racist here. But since you don´t support homosexuality, then I must say whether you like it or not. That you are a tiny bit homophobic. Has any one forgotten that the GLBT area are are the new "black" people ?

 

la-li-lu-le-lo : it was a comical exaggeration and does contain some sarcasm in it. I actually ment that there's a small risk involved but that this could be blown out of proportion (hence the sarcasm). If you notice, the following post (and constant teasing of AimBob) should suggest the comical tone of my first posts on the subject

 

I don't drink alcohol usually. It makes my stomach hurt. Hence, I don't like gay sex, it would make my butt hurt.

That's as far as I go with not liking homosexuality as a matter of taste. What Jack and John do is their own business, but I m surely not gonna sit and watch because I find it distasteful.

It doesn't mean I m afraid of hanging out with Jack and John. It doesn't mean i hate them.

Homophobia= to be afraid of homosexuals.

I have nothing to fear as they don't pose a danger or a risk to me personally.

It just isn't my cup of tea.

What you're saying is "If you're not with us, you're against us" , which is clearly not true. Life is not black and white. What I don't like doesn't terrorize or shock me. It aint my fault that i don't get a woody when I see a naked guy

 

Barc0de: just to be clear on eachother, I have nothing against you. I am only "attacking" you . Because something makes me think twice, when you post some contradictary stuff. Which makes me go "WTF ?" in an instant.

any phobia now adays is followed with the hate of it too, by the way. And yes I know phobia is a Greek word, if I remember correct.

 

Quoted for truth.

This is how most flamewars go down on this site. Hell, probably the whole net.

 

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: the drawings alone made me laugh hard!

PS: Christianity (in its organized political form) did a lot of harm to Ancient Greece when it arrived. Monuments, temples and other ancient worship sites and even unrelated stuff were destroyed in the name of God and to shun the "idol worshippers".

In Greece, unfortunately , the Church of Greece owns more than 50% of the national reserve, which is kind of scary knowing what money and religion are capable of.

Politics are inheretely dirty, and a matter as personal as faith shouldn't be fused with politics, and there lies my dislike for religion - that it's imposed, forced and shoved down throats.

 

I ll attack you back with some grammar then!

Phobia, as all greek words in English and Latin language(s) is spelled with PH instead of F.

Hence why Phantasy Star is correct, and Final Fantasy is not.

(the word Phantasm, Phantom etc are common derivatives of Phantasia, have you need for more proof)

 

The American version of Jesus looks (probably intentionally) a lot like Chuck Norris.