Fahrenheit 9/11 comes out today

indeed , a really bad reputation....

no one seem to love it outside the usa...they hate him

 

I'll be voting for Bush....I know i'll get flamed for it but I'm glad he was the one in office during everything thats happened the last few years...Michael Moore makes a good movie , Budweiser makes a good commercial...I won't be basing my political opinions on either... :smt043 At least bush is protecting U.S. citizens instead of the Greated spotted owl, or whatever it was yesterday or the day before or last year, that the leftists seem so worried about....hope 9/11's reviews are written on recycled paper or the writers might get a scathing story told about them by Moore! :smt043
Most of this was trying to make levity and not intended to get me killed.....

 

Attacking Foreign Threats

Could you please explain to me how attacking foriegn countries with completly inferior weapons etc is defense? It would be virtually impossible to invade the US as it is due to all the guns and it is possible to protect your country without attacking others unless they pose a real threat. I'm still waiting to see these weapons of mass destruction...

 

This post is in response to Metal_4ever:

Bin Laden has no where near the weapons of Iraq of a year ago and yet he and his backwoods brigade were able to stage and execute an attack on U.S. soil that managed to kill thousands so don't tell me it takes top weapon ability to launch terrorist attacks that kill many and mame many more....the bank accounts of Hussein have been linked to backing Bin Laden as well as countless other terrorist groups....guess we could sit back like those with info on Germany did before WWII and hope nothing happens but we've seen what that gets us....it just gives those willing to kill a little more time to plan and arm....if the world had acted on the info of Germanys armament and plans sooner think how many countless millions would have lived...sad part is that no one thinks of the groups that Hussein was supporting and the countless potential lost lives that regime was making possible.. :smt009

 

DP

Sorry about the DP

 

And how did he statge this attack?

He got his cronies stage the attack IN the US. Getting rid of foreign countries may get rid of some of them but you can be sure that it will spawn many more. Concentrating on defense and attacking only when necessary would be much more successful at saving the lives of US troops and civilians. Let me know when the car bombings stop in Iraq and Bin laden is found. I'm not really against the right wing but Bush is tool and needs to be given the boot ASAP before he starts launching nukes or some other bullshit...

 

No, the sad part is that some people assume that Sadam is the only vicious dictator needing to be overthrown. It's also sad that some people can't see beyond the bullshit reasons that have been thrown at them to justify this whole incident.

32,000 children die every day due to preventable causes (google it if you don't believe me). The $100 billion this war cost could have gone a long way to solving that. If the rest of the world saw the USA giving that amount of cash away you'd see a lot less planes being flown into buildings...

 

Amen. My favorite right-wing, pro-war statement is "Saddam is a vicious dictator that needed to be overthrown." While I'll agree the guy was a total asshole, I won't agree that this is why we bombed his country and murdered so many Iraqi citizens. The world is FULL of evil-doers with more weapons... look at North Korea for fuck's sake.

Does the US media not show all these disfigured Iraqi kids? I don't live in the states, so they show them at "the family hour" -- otherwise known as the hour when Janet was nipple-flashing.

 

Remember

You have to remember that Iraq has something very precious to the US... OIL!

 

"fool me once.....she.....shame on you, a fool can not be fooled again"

 

Headlines today:

Here we go from today:

European Security Council has info regarding Iraq trying to buy enriched Uranium from Niger 2 years before the U.S. strikes...(oh I forgot its ok to try to buy and develop weapons as long as they're not actually found).

Next lets see what has happened that critics said wouldn't happen with the Bush administration:

1) Left says we won't hand over power to Iraqis during this term:
fact: it happened today.
2) Left says that Iraqi public won't support the U.S. in helping with handover of power...fact: 48 out of the 57 newly established state areas of Iraq are in favor of U.S.helping with this handover of power and desire our presence to maintain security...as reported by CNN..(that must have hurt them to report)

3)Left said this handover of control will in no way happen on time... fact: the handover happened 2 days earlier than predicted and without the anticipated attacks or casualties..

4) Left said the Bush administration wouldn't allow them to choose their own people....fact: They chose their own Prime Minister without any vote coming from outside influence....

Bush for President in '04

Everybody hates President Bush for making a stand on anything when thats his strong suit....too many politicians in the world won't make a stand thats likely to upset anyone...Bush answers questions and maintains a stance that can be very unliked but its honest. Can't wait to talk to the Bush haters in 25 years when everyones talking about the stability that this administration brought through much unfortunate yet necessary blood and effort....

 

The 1960s bought lots of shame to the USA because of the atrocities in Vietnam War. The people forced the government to stop the war. The people who did that were the people that rallied in front of the white house, capitol hill, etc. Back then, that kind of rallying worked but now it doesn't work. Even if we start to see major rallies outside of government buildings, nothing will happen. The government (both sides :wink have it to where people don't have true control, people with money and connections do. Only thing we can do is get to the top of the system by their way and then change it.

 

Keyword is trying

Did they ever get any uranium? Probably not, but the fact still stands that the US government claimed Iraq DID have weapons of mass destruction. Weapons like that are not something that just disappear without no one knowing. The US may have handed over the "power" but do you really belive they are really under their own control. At the moment Haliburton is in control of their oil and that is an American company. The main resource Iraq has is its oil, and without control of it they are not really in control of their economy and nation. Polls shown on CNN have very little meaning unless other networks / news sources post them. How can you say the Bush administration has been honest when their excuse for invading Iraq is a lie. At this point them "claiming" they had found some would purely coincidental or engineered to give the public justification for the war. Stability? How is calling terror threats every few days stable? If you really wanted to maintain stability you would do things silently so as to not scare the public. Again years from now we will probably have just as many if not more terrorists. Removing the leaders of "terrorist harboring" nations is not the answer, internal defense and increased intelligence is.

 

Re: Keyword is trying

Well getting rid of the source of the problem is better than hoping that you don't get attacked by one again. But of course having good intelligence is the only way to achieve our goal quicker, we need more spies in the field.

 

Tonight I went to a house party (hosted by MoveOn), where other house parties around America could chat live with Michael Moore and view a documentary which parallel's 9/11, it was pleasing to see that my city of 70,000 had the second largest party in the nation Be sure to vote and convince someone to vote from a swing state.

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I just saw the movie. I can see how it took the cake at Cannes. Brilliant. Whether or not you agree with the movie, it was fantastic film-making. The current administration usually does a very good job of making themselves look like idiots... Michael Moore does a good job of editing it.

Also worth noting for you righties out there... for the most part, he doesnt' hit his points with a sledgehammer, like in Bowling. In fact, most of the stuff really isn't new... it's just laid out very well. As I don't live in the states, I see a lot of graphic news stories involving citizens getting slaughtered. WHat I don't see however, is interviews with troops which I thought was interesting.

I think my favorite part was when the Iraqi women, after watching her house get bombed, and neighbors/family get slaughtered, did nothing but pray to Allah. She wished only victory to Iraq through God.