Hi Everyone, In terms of picture quality, can anyone tell me how the Famicom AV (HVC-101) stacks up to a regular AV modded Famicom, NES 2, or NES (Toaster)? I'm assuming the toaster still performs the best?
I have a toaster and an AV Famicom. The AV Famicom seems to have ever so slightly more saturated color but a bit more dot crawl. This could very well be more the cables I'm using than anything. In either case, the picture is very close.
I suppose it does depend heavily on the AV mod used on the Famicom as there are around 4 different versions floating around and all have slightly different output and the board revision does also make a slight difference to the picture output too. >_< The AV famicom has a reasonable picture, although if you can find one I would recommend the Sharp Twin Famicom as that has a ever so slightly nicer picture (although it is composite so the difference is negliable...)
grave digger :gravedigging: Hi. I just connected my av famicom and tested it next to my ntsc toaster. To see the difference, i used a scart switcher - rapidly switching between av famicom and toaster. i wanted to know which cable to use to get the best picture. I tried a noname av-cable, a gamecube av-cable (black socket) and a SNES-cable (gray socket). After some tries I found out, that if the cable got an resistor inside the color is over-saturated. Cables without that resistor gave a comparable good picture. Some cables tend to make the picture shake at the top part of the screen. I used the same game on both machines. Short fazit: I liked the picture of NTSC Toaster more. long fazit: The difference is extremly small: The Toaster just gives a bit of a sharper image. You can not see this difference in 1 metre away from the tv, but sitting net to it it was quite visible: background-textures, or alike colors tend to melt together more compared to the toaster. on the av famicom you have a hard time to identy pixels next to each other (if the color is nearly the same), where as on the toaster you are able to do this. If there is - say - just one white pixel on the otherwise black background, the pixel looks bigger on the toaster, where as on the famicom it is a bit more smeared / blured with he background. but to say it again: the picture of the av-famicom is nearly identical. I settled with an original gamecube av cable (where I cut out the resistor, pal-cables got a resistor). Anyway, I prefer to use the av-famicom, since the difference is so minimal and my girlfriend gave it to me. :thumbsup: ninn
Image quality comparation: Clone system using PAL-M (custom 60hz variation of PAL used here in Brazil) video norm: Toaster NES with slightly modified video output: Toaster NES image is slightly "dampened" by the FCC requirements of RFI suppression capacitors and filters on the output (which I decided to keep for originality sake). I modified the output circuit because I removed the RF modulator circuitry and it affected the output level. :shrug: The PAL-M clone uses the same circuitry as one of the 4 types of Famicom AV mods out there. It gives a crisper image than that of the toaster NES because it has no RFI filtering going. Same capture board was used to take these shots. Point of interest is the letters on the copyright box which is black and white. :nod: As a final comment, it seems like the UMC PPU has a slightly different pallete than that of the Ricoh chip OR that "pink-ish" red color an artifact of the PAL video system. :shrug:
