Family Ace Copier qustions

Discussion in 'Rare and Obscure Gaming' started by arsenal, Sep 24, 2004.

  1. arsenal

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    Does anyon know about the Family Ace FCR-1000 model. It takes those famicom carts with the switch and little chip windows. It's made to copy a famicom game I presume onto one of these dub carts. But I'd like to know if you could get a US NES cart to copy onto one of the dub carts by hooking it in through an adapter that lets you run US NES games on a famicom? I'm also just looking for information on the Family Ace in general.

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  2. Calpis

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    I used to own one... Except, mine was called the "Family Writer" I think, I sold it a long time ago. They're utter shit. Naturally, it only works with NROM games (no bankswitching) Thus, you can only play games with 32k PRG, 8k CHR. Of course if you wanted to, you could copy US/Euro version NROM games provided that you have both a 60->72 pin converter and 72->60.

    Internally, the unit just writes the appropriate PRG & CHR EPROMs with whats found on the original game's PRG and CHR, really crappy/overly simplistic hardware... To erase the carts (to copy a new game) you'll need to expose the quartz windows to UV just like any other EPROM.
     
  3. arsenal

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    Is there any famicom copier (besides these cheaply made "dubbing" machines) that could copy a US NES game through using the right a 60->72 pin converter and 72->60 adapters?
     
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    All other Famicom copiers are actual copiers, they digitally "copy" the game using RAM. They will not fit inside a NES so you cannot use them on a NES. There is are very few differences between NES and FC games, with converters you can do anything. If you wanted to, you could play an English game on a FC copier on a FC.
     
  5. arsenal

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    Thanks you're great,
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    The fist sentence alone said perfect, the answser. I only came to the thread at the right time because I read the bottom or last post before either or ay other first paragraphs..;)
     
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    In any case if I were to want to dump a NES game (say a multi cart)

    Then which Famicom copiers do I have as choices to choose?

    Also I have heard of someone trying to build CopyNES, one who's talented, but they were still missing some vital piece of info needed, maybe there needs to be a diagram or something that's not posted but I couldn't be exact. So if someone who could probably do still hasn't done it than it might take someone exceptional to pull that one off.
     
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    All real, made in Hong Kong, Famicom copiers cannot dump games. The creators of these things just said "fuck it", its not possible with all the bankswitching methods.

    CopyNES is the only exception, but its not an exception because it cannot copy games per se, only back them up. Besides, Multicarts cannot really be backed up with backup hardware for a few simple reasons. Multicarts have nonstandard hardware inside, they are usually made of discrete off-the-shelf logic devices and custom pirate parts. They almost never use the defacto standard Nintendo MMCs or even clones of them for that matter and would require intense study of the board just to figure out which registers control what. Once you know that information, you'd have to dump a bank, switch the bank, dump a bank. Too much work! ALL multicarts were dumped dumped manually using a device (EPROM) programmer Or by using CopyNES with predetermined dumping scripts (very few.) Also, once you do infact dump a game, your game will not simply work in emulators because it most likely isn't a supported mapper. If you want to successfully dump your game, you'll need to dump it with a device programmer, then include a text file describing every detail of the internal hardware (including figuring out custom ICs if necessary) so that someone else can implement it in their emulator.
     
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