FC games console by Yobo

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  1. Shadowlayer

    Shadowlayer KEEPIN' I.T. REAL!!

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    He means a field programmable gate array, but honestly if higher resolutions are the point I would go with a more simple solution and use a nice upscaler chip instead.

    Looking forward to that clone calpis :nod:

    BTW got pics?
     
  2. graciano1337

    graciano1337 Milk Bar

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    but it has an LED light.
     
  3. ASSEMbler

    ASSEMbler Administrator Staff Member

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    If you must get a clone, the best ones are the really expensive (back then) clones, like a micro genius, or similar.

    I collect them for the novelty, but the yobo stuff was so repugnant I had
    to say something...
     
  4. Calpis

    Calpis Champion of the Forum

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    There's no such thing as a nice upscaler chip compared to pixel perfect line doubling generated internally. It's also much cheaper than an external chip--it's free since I have the resources. Also since the only original video from a real console is composite, it can only scale horribly. My clone will output component and RGB from a lookup table straight to the DAC, no external transcoding/scaling/amplification for purity. Anyways, the idea behind the line doubling is to allow the display to use it's highest resolution to loose interpolation artifacts, and possibly minimize the lag.

    I haven't built anything to take pictures of, it's all in the design software. Right now my plan isn't to develop my own console entirely anyways, just to make a replacement PCB for Famicom and maybe NES for wealthy eliteophile collectors ;) I'm going to try to get some background stuff together this week since that's the only part complete, then I can take some pics of it running on my development board.
     
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  5. WolverineDK

    WolverineDK music lover

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    Well, I hope it gets further than kevtris FPGA console, since I had my hopes up for that clone/console. But right now I haven´t heard any news about that machine in ages. And he came far in his development.
     
  6. Shadowlayer

    Shadowlayer KEEPIN' I.T. REAL!!

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    Yeah I get the point, but the Nes was very lowres, so the "vaseline effect" of an upscaler may actually help.

    If we were talking about a NeoGeo at 1080p thats another story.
     
  7. Alchy

    Alchy Illustrious Member

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    You don't get the point then. Upscaled composite is still disgusting. If you have a good upscaler you'll merely be preserving shit video quality, and if you have a bad one it won't be some kind of cure-all "vaseline effect", it'll be blocky digital processing artifacts and lag.

    I'd also point out that the Neo Geo and NES have pretty similar resolutions, but I can't be bothered to check wikipedia and get the specifics. They're both in the ~250x224 range, anyway.
     
  8. Shadowlayer

    Shadowlayer KEEPIN' I.T. REAL!!

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    Theres some really good upscalers out there, and some upcoming ones will do for a grainy image what bleem did for PSX games.

    And the Nes works at 256x240, while the AES is 320x224, a small but considerable difference. Plus AES graphics are lightyears beyond those of the old Nes, and IMO more worthy of being upscaled.

    My two cents.
     
  9. Alchy

    Alchy Illustrious Member

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    No they won't. They'll upscale composite, and that's not ever going to be anything close to a perfect solution. If you have any details on how these "upcoming" units intend to reverse this then I'd be genuinely interested to read about it.

    I can't imagine why you'd want to upscale if you've got a decent analogue set. You talk about upscaling like it's some kind of panacea when in fact it's a necessary evil to get analogue signals to display on digital sets.

    I'm not going to bother debating the resolutions, they're two completely different systems and my point was only that Neo Geo isn't somehow more suitable for 1080p like you were suggesting.
     
  10. GodofHardcore

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    I guess I'll stick with emulation
     
  11. MottZilla

    MottZilla Champion of the Forum

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    GoH, nothing beats the original system. Just buy a RGB monitor like the Sony PVM. They're fantastic. Even if you plug in a composite signal to it, it'll still look so much better than any HDTV.
     
  12. XxHennersXx

    XxHennersXx I post here on the toilet sometimes.

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    Pink godzilla here in seattle pushes the yobo and Generation NEX instead of getting REAL systems.
     
  13. PhreQuencYViii

    PhreQuencYViii Champion of the Forum

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    The TITler? Fuck yes.
     
  14. ASSEMbler

    ASSEMbler Administrator Staff Member

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    Famitwin or titler.

    I like the famitwin for the price, and SUPERB sound.
     
  15. Calpis

    Calpis Champion of the Forum

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    Famitwin is Twin Famicom by Sharp or FCTwin the clone? The clone should have broken sound from the NOAC.
     
  16. Alchy

    Alchy Illustrious Member

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    The only Titler I can see on ebay is BIN $550, which is ever so slightly out of my price range. Does it usually go for this kind of money?
     
  17. MottZilla

    MottZilla Champion of the Forum

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    Every time I've seen the Titler it has been around that high. It's not cheap probably because there aren't all that many of them and the desirable S-Video out.

    That's horrible anyone would push these trash clones over a real system. Please do us all a favor and ruin their business.
     
  18. Calpis

    Calpis Champion of the Forum

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    Perhaps on eBay, but elsewhere $300 new is definitely a possibility, and $100-150 used is typical, at least it was a few years ago. Even at $300 I don't think it's worth it; it's BIG and the titling aspect is of course useless for a game console. The same goes for the Twin FC, which I think should have been stacked vertically, and sucks if you want to use unlicensed FDS hardware with it.
     
  19. Alchy

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    Well, if anyone's got a Titler lying around that they want to shift for $100, you know where to find me.

    Any word on how much the RGB-capable PPU changes the palettes? I've read that it's quite a bit, but haven't read anything conclusive. It's kind of frustrating that neither solution are perfect.
     
  20. MottZilla

    MottZilla Champion of the Forum

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    I'd like to see a good NES/Famicom Clone with a built in FDS. That would be nice to see plastered all over shops. With lots of new QuickDisks with that Nintendo imprint in them. Atleast they'd be better than the crap like this Yobo.
     
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