Full video of Pentagon terrorist attack released....

BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4987716.stm

The tape is now being released because it was being used in the trial against al-qaeda plotter Zacarais Moussaoui. But now that the trial is over the feds released it. This will also, according to BBC, put a rest in all the conspiracy bullshit that's out there.

Anyone know where I can get the full video? BBC doesn't have it.

 

What a load of shit that video is. Nothing more in there than the 5 frames originally released. Still far too many unanswered questions. Where are the hotel and petrol station sercurity videos?

Anyway, .......

Yakumo

 

Doesn't do anything to the conspiract theories except encourage them. I mean honestly: JUST RELEASE THE FUCKING TAPES.

 

I don't think those videos were used in the trial or actually caught any footage of the plane. But you also have eye witness testimonials from people who saw a plane crash into the pentagon that day.

 

That shows nothing. Whats the point in even releasing it?

 

Freedom of Information Act filing. Not knowing what was on the tape(s), a group filed a FOIA request to have it released. It was held back until after the trial since it may have been used as evidence.

 

That always bothered me, how they won't release the hotel and gas station videos. This one also shows the plane comming in at a very low angle, racing along the ground, but I read somewhere that there are buildings in the way.

 

Again means nothing. Who are these eye witnesses? You can pay anyone off to say something.

Yakumo

 

Im with you on that one. Way too much stuff thats unanswered. Im not one to lay blame but if anyone has an open mind check out Loose Change. Its become the premeire 911 "conspiracy" video.

 

Wow. Now that is classic...

I'm sure that I can pay you to say anything that I want you to, right?

You're just questioning what at least 100 people saw that day..

Of course the video is crappy but it was the only video they had.

 

Bullshit. What about the videos that were taken from shop owners down the street? Where are they now and why are they being kept under lock and key?

Eyewitness testimonials are worthless. Threaten them with being locked up under the patriot acts and see how many say it didn't look like a plane. Regardless, the tapes are the only thing that will prove the issue one way or another, and they are the one thing your government are refusing to cough up, which is fucking suspect.

 

Eyewitness accounts are not as accurate as say a tape showing a plane smashing into the pentagon, which should exist. People often fuck up police line ups.

Ok lets suppose they did hold the videos for Mousauii's(sp) trial, what about the 20 videos of the planes hitting the towers, why were they not held under lock and key untill the last few days? Those seem like much stronger evidence then whats seen or not seen on this pentagon tape.

Almost every angle of 9/11 stinks to high hell and America just eats whatever the media and government feeds us. Its really quite depressing.

 

The planes hitting the towers were widely shown on tv at the time. Videos of the pentagon probably fall under national security.

While I am not an american or an advocate of the american governments policies, I don't see how this triggers a conspiracy theory. If they released more tapes then you'd all say they were fake.

smf

 

Uneducated people eat what they are spoon fed. Anyone who watches O'Reilly Factor or similar shows are those types of people. Those who question everything that is told to them and research it for themselves and come up with their own conclusions are the more educated types. But still, you can't always believe what you read, especially on the internet.
Question everything.

Without conspiracy theorists we wouldn't question the assassination of JFK (which I believe it was the mob did it). They help in keeping people on their toes but are also the same as the big media in everyway.

 

You are correct. Its the gaping holes in everything else that triggers conspiracy theory.

I dunno why but the fact that no building has ever fallen on itself in recorded history due to fire, and yet three did in one day, two after just an hour of fire that had to be at a constant 2000 degrees or higher to bend or warp steel, even though jet fuel burns out almost instantly, just seems bizzare to me.

I guess I'm nutty.

 

Study structural engineering and how metals work under such weight and heat. Those metals couldn't have melted but were severely weakened by the force and fire from the plane and the weight of the buildings themselves. The WTC towers have no central beam (skeleton structure) to distribute weight, it instead had an 'exo-skeletal' structure, first of its kind back then, where the weight distribution was done thru the outer steel beams. This enabled the interior of the building to be laid out in almost any way the tenants wanted it to be.

 

"The Windsor Building was of a similar truss design to the twin towers, the fire started 11 storeys from the top of the building, and it burned at temperatures of 800ºC for more than 18 hours [AFP]. The core of the building did not fail."



"The core(of the WTC)was designed to support the entire weight of the buildings several times over.Far more than a mere "service core", it comprised of 47 steel box columns tied together at each floor by steel plates, similar to the 52" deep spandrel plates that tied the perimeter columns together. The largest of these core columns were 18"x36", with steel walls 4" thick near the base and tapering in thickness toward the top, and was anchored directly to the bedrock."


"This leaves a quandary because we are told that the 800ºC temperatures which the Windsor Building's core columns withstood for 18 hours wrecked the intact core columns of WTC 1 in only 85 minutes."

Must have been some shitty steel used in WTC.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc1_core.html

It would appear the core had ample support to remain standing even if the area outside it decided to come down. How did it get demolished, and directly down? Wouldnt you think if it was compermised at a lower floor level the area above would lean and topple over, not fall into itself?

When you see the animation of the trusses failing after being bent and warped, that video fails to show you that cross trusses were in place. Do you think they really would have designed a building that poorly? You can see these cross trusses in pictures taken during the construction of WTC.

I would invite you to look at blue prints of the buildings if it were possible, but im afraid they have gone missing.


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Just for arguments sake lets say you are correct. Lets say it was the design of the two buildings that caused them to fail and fall due to fire making the steel weak.

In that case I must ask why building 7 also fell on itself? It was a traditional center beam skeletal structure that was no where near as tall as the towers. No planes hit it, and nothing fell from the towers that would crush it or make it weak.

 

So what they rigged the buildings with bombs a couple of nights before and no one noticed...

Right yeah.

 

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Nights, weeks, months, I dunno.


"George W. Bush's brother was on the board of directors of a company providing electronic security for the World Trade Center, Dulles International Airport and United Airlines, according to public records. The company was backed by an investment firm, the Kuwait-American Corp., also linked for years to the Bush family. [/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The security company, formerly named Securacom and now named Stratesec, is in Sterling, Va.. Its CEO, Barry McDaniel, said the company had a ``completion contract" to handle some of the security at the World Trade Center ``up to the day the buildings fell down." [/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]It also had a three-year contract to maintain electronic security systems at Dulles Airport, according to a Dulles contracting official. Securacom/Stratesec also handled some security for United Airlines in the 1990s, according to McDaniel, but it had been completed before his arriving on the board in 1998. [/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]McDaniel confirmed that the company has security contracts with the Department of Defense, including the U.S. Army, but did not detail the nature of the work, citing security concerns. It has an ongoing line with the General Services Administration - meaning that its bids for contracts are noncompetitive - and also did security work for the Los Alamos laboratory before 1998. [/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Marvin P. Bush, the president's youngest brother, was a director at Stratesec from 1993 to fiscal year 2000. But the White House has not publicly disclosed Bush connections in any of its responses to 9/11, nor has it mentioned that another Bush-linked business had done security work for the facilities attacked. [/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Marvin Bush joined Securacom when it was capitalized by the Kuwait-American Corporation, a private investment firm in D.C. that was the security company's major investor, sometimes holding a controlling interest. Marvin Bush has not responded to telephone calls and e-mails for comment."

I admit its streching it saying that explosives were planted, but nothing else can explaing why 3 buildings(2 completley different designs) fell (perfectly on themselfs) in one day, all officially because of fire. When I say 3 buildings im talking building 7, not the pentagon.

I seem to be a little too into this. Slow day at work.
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Regarding the towers, fire is one factor, but the structural damage done by the impact was the major cause of the collapse. Excluding wind shear compensation, almost all of the support structure in a skyscraper style building is designed for support of the massive weight vertically.

Think about a plastic straw. If you stand it on end and push down on it, it is pretty strong. However, if you push down slightly and hit it laterally with a little force, it will buckle and "collapse". This is exactly what happened with the towers.