Geohot needing donations for lawyers

Good job he's an ace at Jailbreaking.

 

Whether or not you like GeoHot, the DMCA NEEDS to change. You may not like him, but this case could open doors to DVD copying, and hopefully the elimination of the "You didn't buy the the product. You bought a license to it." clause.

No matter what, this could change things in the long run that have nothing to do with a PS3.

 

"A man that represents himself has a fool for a lawyer." It is not an old saying b/c it's total bullshit. I could read up and do everything myself: Grow my own vegetables. Make my own paper. Milk my own cows. Someone else can always do it better.

I respect your willingness to do it. So does a friend of mine that's about to get deported that did exactly what you did.

 

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IMO opinion it has fuck all to do with "You didn't buy the the product. You bought a license to it."

I think Sony is trying to argue the point that you bought a PS3 so please use it as a PS3. They have a user base of millions who couldn't care less about using emulators or alternative file formats and who enjoy just playing games and having fun online.

Those genuine users who liked using 3rd party pads and messing about with
an otherOS have suffered the consequences already.

Soon enough average joe who likes playing COD:Black Ops online is going to be really pissed when hacking leaves it unplayable, and even more pissed when every log in requires a new update.

Developers will soon cancel games and begin to panic about sales when piracy begins to kick in full force.

We could argue that every generation has suffered from hacks and mods but in this generation it's a totally different ball game. Soldering isn't needed, fast internet access means a Blu-Ray image can be downloaded in a day. Storage space is cheap and disc burning is very accessible, and tutorials on the internet are no longer on obscure sites and newsgroups. We are much more technologically aware as a populous than we used to be.

Financial markets change in the blink of an eye, piracy will totally fuck Sony, they aren't the leaders in the market anymore and they have two very strong adversaries.

We might see them as the big corporation leaning on the little guy but they're just trying to protect what they're proud of, and they are a business, they have to make money.

What I'm trying to say is that as cool as it is to tinker with the PS3 and do things with it that it's not designed to do, we don't need to anymore, most people have shit loads of ways to play movies, emulators and homebrew games in their houses. They don't need one more, especially when the method for doing so is a major threat to a significant console in the market.

People should stop screaming about their rights to do things with stuff beyond their intended purpose, because if GeoHot wins and the DMCA does change I wouldn't be surprised if Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo who are entertainment companies providing entertainment, for a reasonable fee and doing a damn good job of it, might just turn around and say fuck the lot of you, we're out.

Nobody will make AAA games for free. Nobody will make AAA films without DVD sales, if you're paranoid about damaging the disc or keeping that oh so precious collectors edition sealed buy two copies, or just be more fucking careful. If you want to make a back up to protect the original then you must be so broke you won't own a PS3 in the first place.

Everybody is crying and moaning because OtherOS got taken away, other features are at risk and Sony are waving the legal flag. Quit celebrating when something gets hacked if you're going to cry when Sony make steps to save what's left. If it were your company, your profits and your flagship product, you'd be doing the same.

 

You have good points. But I don't understand why the Wii or 360 weren't doomed by piracy.
Is the pee-ass-triple that fantastic to make everyone buy one to install custom things on it?
Or, is the ps3 so trashy that it will sell well only if there's more than just those advertised as awesome exclusive games?

 

I think one of the major reasons why the ps3 hack is more of a threat is that both the 360 and wii still require opening the machine to chip the console to play backups and such... the ps3 requires a usb key heh

 

My argument is more against people's attitude towards the right to hack. The system doesn't matter so much, but from what I've read (not what I've tried) it seems as if the PS3 is far more accessible from a hacking standpoint.

It's so much easier for average joe who plays pirated games to recommend a USB stick pre prepared to his mate than talk him through a process of copying this and that to a drive etc.

Microsoft also charge for the privilege of using Xbox live which may deter a hacker from breaking the system.

My parents bought me a PS1 because it could play copied games, I was only 12 at the time and thought little of it. It was a deciding factor for them and it was for many other people's parents too.

In todays market I think similar consumers exist and when weighing up the choice between a PS3 and a 360, yeah the former may be more expensive but it is a Blu-Ray player (the market for which is gathering steam in the HD and 3D craze) topped with free internet access which is less to lose if it does get banned. They both play copied games...which one will you pick? You can argue over Halo's and Uncharted's but a few games aside they're pretty much the same console when it comes to games.

I also support the underdog. I'm not a Sony fan boy, my fanboyism died with the Dreamcast.

This - Posted while I was typing.

 

Oh! Really? I don't know about those hacks. I think that's really considerable.
Someday before or after Christmas I was on the bus with some friends going to see the main square here with Christmas' decorations and there was a kid asking a ps3 for his mother. And she said sometimes something like "but the ps3 don't have pirate tapes" lol
It was so funny. We wondered if she knew the difference between a ps3 and a Mega Drive. (the old people here call cartridges as "tapes")

Yeah, parents looking for a cheap alternative is more common than we think.

Also, I completely forgot the hacks going on in the psn. Yeah, that's something. Not that I care about the psn. But the devs should do, of course.

Well, they can't charge for it? I think Sega did that with PSO2, first PSO was free? I don't remember. I got a Dreamcast some time after it was canceled.

 

FWIW, when my wife went to the philippines and was faced with what handheld to buy our godson, the kid immediately wanted a PSP.

It has a lot to do with the fact that they can buy a DVD with like, 10 psp games on it, take it to an internet cafe or friend who owns a computer, and load 2-4 ISO files onto a memory stick.

I believe that one of the reasons PSP is considered a "failure" in terms of financial success is indeed the lack of software sales, which comes primarily from piracy.

This also explains the proprietary format of the NGP and the lack of a memory stick duo slot on a pspgo.

That has to factor into the reason why sony is going all out on this issue.

 

lvsteven you seeemed to completely ignore my follow up post on this matter but I shall entertain you

My cases of sticking it to the man in county court and high court were civil cases
too. In fact I think I'm also due to solo the house of lords soon but it may be a different venue and on a separate issue. No jury of my peers, in part because I am peerless but mostly because they are civil matters. I also had no council...

The biggest problem I had with judges and they hated me for saying this is that they are senile old bastards who have obviously forgotten what they were put there to do and yes I told them that. You go through the bullshit bureacracy of submitting the relevant forms with a water tight argument on paper then they do not read the fucking thing (which they are supposed to) then expect an oral argument, which is where the lawyers' silver tongue comes into play.

He did find somone. Himself. No one else will care about this as much as he does. It is his battle, his war, his fight thus it is he who will have the passion to stay the course.

This is a daft argument. How did a lawyer become a lawyer? By reading the books of law lol. Every motherfucker on the planet can do the same but naturally some will do better than others. A lawyer is not special, even though they may think that they are.

Geohot does not need a specialist. He needs relevant copyright and intellectual property laws in writing for his perusal and the time, effort, intelligence and desire to anaylse, interpret and present his case and perhaps once he has finished somone to proof read it. Nothing more, nothing less. He most certainly does not need someone else to do it for him unless his IQ is south of 100, has other issues or just plain lazy...

 

Twim, Games were already an issue online before all this hacking even took place.

Seriously, if anyone has played Metal Gear Online for more than 10 minutes in the last 2 years, especially on survival and tournament nights you know exactly what i'm talking about.

All this has done really for that , is bring it to Halo 2 levels, which had bugs+glitches+Hacks/mods.

 

Just because you can doesn't mean it is wise. The odds are against him if he goes it alone and let's not forget the ramifications to others if a precedent is set in Sony's favor. That is Sony's real goal here and Geohot going solo just helps them in this case.

No offense LeGIt but I doubt you were paving new legal paths when you went before the judge.

 

The chances are equal for both sides regardless of how many people are in thier arsenal or how much money they have.

If someone has legal problems someone has probably had the same issue and paved the way so there is a precedent. However circumstances are often different and even then this has never prevented me from taking a different approach either and I have paved, or begun to pave on others so your doubts are not unreasonable but not in line with the reality of my experiences

 

Oh please.

You were doing pretty well up until that point, a fine rant, but that's ridiculous, and you know it. Like they're going to abandon the industry altogether because of piracy. It didn't kill any of their previous platforms and it won't kill the PS3, don't be so melodramatic.

I'm struggling to find a way of reading this that doesn't sound incredibly naive. Explain.

 

The facts of the trial itself excluded, yes, in theory. In practice people involved with law are a lot more chummy to each other than you or I. Judges, lawyers and barristers have a lot more in common with each other than the rest of us.

With regards to the topic I'm surprised he raised so much so quickly: he must have a lot of fans. It seems like a personal issue to me, rather than a crusade for the gaming community as is being portrayed.

 

Melodramatic perhaps, but the PS3 got off to a really slow start and it's still neck and neck against the 360.

The PSP has suffered due to piracy.

There is a big squeeze worldwide as far as economics go and like I said, this isn't a generation of Modchips and soldering for geeks, my grandmother could probably jailbreak an iPhone and so could my 8 year old cousin.

In the early nineties nobody expected Sega to bow out of the console market and look what happened. All that's needed is a breaking point.

Sony was selling consoles at a loss, the launch was a failure, they released countless hardware revisions which put off or confused initial buyers.

The console is priced way higher than two leading machines and other than Blu-Ray and a bit more graphical whizz it offers only a handful of unique titles as a selling point.

Sony is a huge company with it's fingers in many many pies and so yes, they probably won't back out due to plentiful funds but you never know.

 

Sonys buisness model is not based on how much it makes on the console. it's the software that is sold, thats where they make their money, it's is all about the attachment rate. (how many games a person buys for the console itself)

Sonys model much the same as Microsofts, this is why they get so paranoid about things that could affect software sales.

Nintendo model is different I makes money from console and games, but their attachment rate is much lower.

Sony Microsoft and Nintendo take about 30% of the profits of each game sold, which is the standard rate.

Potential Piracy means a less attractive platform for game developers and a loss of revenue from games aren't made because of it.

What do you expect Sony to do?

 

You clearly have no idea how the US Judicial system works... my guess, the UK one as well, but what do I know. I can never get passed the powdered wigs they wear. At least in the movies.

 

I disagree with both sides. The mentality of people is getting way out of whack. There has always been an element that wants something for nothing, but with the Internet being the way it is these people have a massive soapbox to stand on. It's like nothing has value any more. You can get everything for next to nothing, but if you cannot then you'll steal or cheat your way to get it.

I hope he loses the case because his ego is out of control. Originally the PS3 was pretty open with the Linux thing. If this guy hadn't been screwing around trying to make a bigger name for himself, we might still have Linux on our original model PS3s. In the end, manufacturers are going to offer less functionality for the kind of things we want to be able to do and it will be because of hacking groups and guys like him.

At the same time, I don't like the way Sony is leveraging this to change their licensing model and I dislike the move to online only media. The ironic thing is, the people pushing for more "freedom" are going to end up forcing manufacturers to clamp down and offer less, with greater licensing controls and more DRM.