HiDef Analog Question (MUSE, w-VHS)

Hey Guys

I have another question related to HiDef Analog signals. I'm still trying to sort all of this out. And it's a pain in my ass.

Here's what I want to buy, a Victor W-VHS player:

http://movie.geocities.jp/w_vhs/w-vhs_museum/1f/HR-W1/a.html

Here are the connections on back:



The HD outputs going to the TV are YPbPr. It's my understanding that I'll need a TV capable of displaying 1080i through component video cables. Is that correct?

I cannot use a digital inputs such as a D-Link or HDMI. Correct?

Would something like this work?




That's a newer TV which is clearly marked with 1080p/1080i/720p/480p/480i, so I'm assuming I can connect the above W-VHS player to the Component In and see video in 1080i. Also, I've read that YCrCb inputs will work, but I have to make sure the TV is capable of showing 1080i since it could produce only 720p or even 480p for older TVs.

If that's not correct then I'm going to jump off the nearest bridge and I'm taking Yakumo with me.

 

Yes. If you connect the two devices via a component cable, it will allow you to view 1080i on the TV.

If the device does not output HDMI or DVI, then you're not going to be easily able to input into your TV without expensive conversion boxes, which usually also degrade the signal. Your best bet is to use component. I do this with my TV and the picture quality is great.

 

Nice looking player. Any TV that can do HD at all will support 1080i as its the Hidef standard resolution, you'll be fine.

 

So the player will output 1080i analog and it's best to connect it to a TV that can handle 1080i analog as well, then connect them directly with component cables. The hard part is finding a TV that has both the inputs and the resulotion. I've seen a few plasma TVs that have D-4 and component inputs...that might be a good place to start.

 

i Reckon 99% of Tvs capable of handling HD signals will have component inputs, not sure what youre worried about?

Are you looking to actually capture hidef broadcasts?

 

I always wanted a W-VHS player, but even now they seem to be expensive. >_<

I am sure that the MUSE system, was a 1035i (display) output rather then the 1080i of most HDTVs, however most Japanese HDTV TVs should support 1035i (for backward compatability) but I would check before you splash out. Most TVs will have a D Terminal and possibily a Component Video Input (if not a Component to D Terminal lead shouldn't be too expensive to buy), just use that.

Aren't W-VHS tapes hard to find? I remember them being around 3000 yen each new for a 2 hour tape. >_<

 

hi vision was what they called "theoretical" 1125i, i cant remember why, tho i seem to remember reading that 1080i of it was resolution for what you see, and the rest was picture information, probably a false memory tho heh.

 

Both 1035i and 1080i are 1125 lines including blanking.

 

I can plug component cables into a D terminal? I thought the analog to digital would be a problem....but the TV can convert everything on its own?

 

W-VHS is a hi def analogue format, which stores component video signals and digital audio. It can also record a very long play SD component (or S-Video / Composite if you wanted to) video signal too. The video you showed had a MUSE inputs so you will be able to record the MUSE output correctly, else you can just record interlaced Hi-Def component video.

Remember W-VHS is a analogue format and does not record in any digital format and does not output any digital video signals (so no HDMI or DVI). The picture quality is excellent as you get no artifacts but being tape you will get some noise.

The output from the player is analogue component video, D-Terminal is component video in one handy connector rather then having 3 leads.

 

Ah, I assumed D terminals carried digital signals, so I assumed I could not connent component analog cables to them. If I do choose the D terminal route, I suppose I need D3 or better to get 1080i? I can't really research every TV out there since I'm in Japan and it would take quite a lot of translation, so I'm mostly trying to look at the D terminal to decide what the TV's max reslotion is.

 

That is one mean looking VCR! I like the LCD on the remote, makes setting timers a lot easier (no need to switch TV on).

 

hmm, I wonder who writes these articles on wikipedia from time to time. People inject their opinion everywhere nowadays.

 

This is the TV I'm looking at to use for the W-VHS. A few sellers on Yahoo are dumping them in auctions that are ending for about $250.




It's a 22" model with HDMI (480p/720p/1080i/1080p) and a D5 input. They have similar models at 19" with a D4 that are about $100 cheaper. Any thoughts?

 

Can anyone confirm this?

 

I can.

MUSE may be digitally encoded/decoded but the fact remains that the damn wires used to connect the MUSE player to the compatible set carry an analog modulation signal and not a bit-stream. Hence, it is an analogue connection.

likewise, a DVD player connected to a set via Composite is "digital" but connected in analogue fashion. Same for component.

 

DVD-ROM drives and combo LCD TV/DVD have digital connections, there are probably some digitally connected MUSE devices too.

 

Thought I'd ask again for confirmation, but perhaps no one knows for sure. I'll be able to use D terminals (D4 or D5) to get max resolution from the player?

 

Yes, the signal once recovered is digital. You'll be able to use D terminal if your player supports it but I don't think you'll get higher than D3 since 1080i is the native resolution.

 

I can't believe that WVHS is still around, talk about obscure