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  1. Smithy

    Smithy Spirited Member

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    When a movie is "formatted" to fit a different screen size, what happens? The sides get chopped off to fit in a square format. Sorry, but I'm a sticker on this, I hate cropped "fullscreen" movies...

    http://www.widescreen.org/examples/lord_rings_fellowship/index.shtml
     
  2. Ground Zero

    Ground Zero Enthusiastic Member

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    There's not much sense in connecting a 2005 built console to a TV which uses hardware from 1970.

    My answer is yes - i want HD and i think it's great!
    I bought a nice videoprojector capable of 720p. The picture quality of Xbox360 is amazing even in 120" diagonal!.

    That's the future - our grandchildren will think of a 20" TV as GameBoy size.
     
  3. Actually, the sides don't just get 'chopped off'. As that gallery of images proves, there are a variety of techniques used to adapt theatrical films to 4:3. Shots can be resized for one thing, but what the vast majority of widescreen proponents don't acknowledge is that the original shots are very often left intact, and are panned over instead. Of course those still images provide a good argument against pan-and-scan formatting, until you actually watch the movie running and see that very little was actually cut out and the 'camera' just pans over a wider scene.
     
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  4. sayin999

    sayin999 Officer at Arms

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    well being a film buff myself and studying film, the 16:9 is used to stretch the image to a widescreen tv properly making it look more full. Now when you do go fullscreen, i hate to say, the image is zoomed in a bit to not make the image look wapred as if you just streteched the image from top and bottom the image woud look sorta like a funny mirror. Now some movies do not actually take advatge of widescreen properly. However if you do see alot of movies in their original aspecat ratio, 90% of time usually widescreen which i think was past the 40s of 50s, you will notice alot of times the image is a bit zoomed in or you loose a bit of the background detail. If you watch ghost busters, star wars, and raising arizona side by side comparing wide with full you will notice a huge difference. However if your one of those type who just wants to watch a film and not really into the orignal look or art, or like saintlouis have a very small tv, then i wouldnt worry about it much. But for me i make it a must to watch them in their orignal ratio(remember 16:9 just allows the image to stretch on a 16:9 tv to fill it or have smaller black bars depedning on ratio).
     
  5. karsten

    karsten Member of The Cult Of Kefka

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    no, wait! are you sure you spent just 300$? here a below average 8and i said AVERAGE quality) hdtv costs from 600 _EUROS_ up to 1300! is HDtv the same worldwide?
     
  6. Fabrizo

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    Yea, I got my HDTV at Best Buy for about $280 (within ten dollars). Its a 26 inch widescreen one made by Insignia. It supports all the standard resolutions (1080i, 720p, 480P, 480i, etc.) with the exception of 1080p.
     
  7. toubabokoomi

    toubabokoomi Guest

    I feel HD games (xbox360 so far) look very pretty. The clarity is so nice. Yet if you lack an HD TV, the feature is pretty much useless. I am fine with my PS2 and SV cable.
     
  8. Ringo

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    I got a projector and digital cable just for high def. The difference is breathtaking. I also wanted it for my Xbox 360 that I dont have the money and MS has no stock for.

    I must say playing Half Life 2 in HD widescreen on the PC is just... Words dont exist.

    Now I need a 480p cable for my GC.


    When your TV is 8 feet by 6 feet PS2 480i just looks pathetic, however on that note I dont think playing guitar hero on anything smaller is anywhere near the same experience. You get done with a few songs and you feel like your floating, almost the same feeling you get after comming home from a bunch of rides at a theme park.

    I dont get why people are spending a grand on a 30inch HD CRT(cheaper now) when you can get a projector and fill the whole wall for the same price. Yeah, yeah the bulbs are pricey but you dont use it for everything all the time(my wife can watch gilmore girls on the 27inch 4:3 TV, thats not projector material). Ive had mine a year now and have yet to use even half the bulb life.


    If and when I get a 360, I cant wait to see it in all its glory.
     
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  9. Funkstar De Luxe

    Funkstar De Luxe Fiery Member

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    No one has actually taken the time to notice that you eyes can't tell the difference when it's 5 foot away (unless you screen size can be measured in foot). HDTV is bullshit, my guess is that TV companies just needed another gimmick to see shit. in ten years we'll see HDTV2.

    Switching between 720p and Standard on my 360, I can't tell the difference when I sit down to play.

    However, it does make for a good PC monitor
     
  10. Funkstar De Luxe

    Funkstar De Luxe Fiery Member

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    Because the picture is shit. You can sit anything in front of it (shadows). They are loud. You need to put them on a wall (ugly as fuck). You need a screen - which will sit like a huge, shit, blank picture when it's not on. A bulb will cost almost as much as a new projector. You can only really use them in a darkened room. The list goes on.

    Projectors are only really good if you have a cinema room and can put up with all this shit.

    Side by side with a good plasma (or even an LCD) it just doesn't compare.

    However, when something is THAT big it generally looks good regarless :) But I find it a little hard to play games that big. Sometimes you actually have to turn your head!
     
  11. Fabrizo

    Fabrizo Resolute Member

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    I think it comes down to a mixture of how good your vision is (or your glasses/contacts are), as well as how good you are at noticing details. Some people have these qualities, others don't. To an extent HDTV is indeed a gimmick to sell tv's, but at the same time whats so wrong with progress?
     
  12. ASSEMbler

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    Quality of HDTV equipment. LCD = nono . Projection? Crap, except DLP but the viewing angle sucks.

    I have the largest TUBE HDTV they make. The reason is superior brightness, viewing angle,
    and no motion blur.

    Some of the projection styles are catching up, and the good plasma/lcd are only in Japan.

    However, even on a shitty hdtv, 1080 versus 720 is noticable.
     
  13. Funkstar De Luxe

    Funkstar De Luxe Fiery Member

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    only if you are 1" fron the screen.

    Seriously, how many time did you sit down to watch you normal, interlaced, old CRT, and think "man the res on this is shit, look at all those blocks".

    It's all placebo. It's just dicks arguing about numbers.

    "1080i is sweet! No, 720p is better for movement. Yeah but 1080p Beats all!!! Haha, your TV doesn't even have a number!"
     
  14. Warakia

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    The first time I saw HD tv broadcast on my huge plasma in Japan I almost cried! Took my breath away. I really notice the difference even on 20-odd inch HD tv. But I get pretty anal over image quality anyway. When you get used to HD tv you cannot go back, it is progress and no bad thing at all IMHO.

    But for us in the Uk at the moment, it is far too expensive to get involved with HD at the moment, prices in the US and Japan are just stupidly low in comparison.
     
  15. sflynn

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    funkstar, you need to get your vision checked. Ever watched a broadcast ATSC signal of a NFL game, the difference is huge!!. The colors are awesome, you can read everyones name on their jersey, and even see the small air holes on their jerseys and helmets. I don't think you are using the right connection or something if you can't tell the difference between a 480i and 720p or 1080i signal.
     
  16. Well, you can't take the word of anyone who shelled out more than a thousand dollars for their TV on how great it is. Psychology is king.

    And of course at the same time that also means you can't take the word of anyone who can't afford one on how unnecessary it is.

    Personally, my eyes have gotten really bad in the last five years and I still haven't gotten glasses, but I can certainly tell the difference between a standard NTSC image in s-video and a progressive image. Even an interlaced RGB and a progressive image, I can tell the difference. I haven't had an opportunity to figure out whether I can see the difference between 480p, 780p, 1080p, 1080i, etc, but I imagine that I could.

    Other things matter a lot more, though.


    ...word is bondage...
     
  17. ASSEMbler

    ASSEMbler Administrator Staff Member

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    That's only if $1000 means anything to that person. Say they had a few mil, then it's not even an issue...
     
  18. Psychology is still king. The rich tend to exagerate the benefits their wealth confer.


    ...word is bondage...
     
  19. Ringo

    Ringo Guest

    Let me address some of these "problems"

    1)The picture with HD signal is very, very good. Sure its no plasma but I love mine(its all relative).

    2)Mines mounted on the ceiling so nothing ever gets in front of it and shadows the picture.

    3)The noise is an afterthough if you have a good 5.1 reciever. I cant hear it 90% of the time. Hell my fridge makes more noise.

    4)I dont get this one so I wont answer it.

    5)My screen pulls down so its out of the way and hardly noticable when not in use.

    6)Ok thats a sticking point but almost as much as a new projector is stretching the truth more than a little.

    7)This is a good arguement but who the hell fires up a movie and watches it with any lights on. I do most of my gaming in the dark too no matter what screen im using.

    People are too harsh on projectors. IMHO worth every penny for avoiding the movie theatre, its sticky floors, screaming children, people fucking with my chair and $17 soda.


    Hey if you can afford/justify an 8'x6' plasma, more power to ya. Let me just say no one once has ever come over and told me "that looks like shit compared to plasma". They all just sit back in awe and enjoy the show. I have friends with 50" plasma's and they come to my house to watch the game. If that does not say somethign about the picture quality, I dont know what does.

    My house is tiny(if even 1000 sf) and with a little elbow grease and the right equipment, I have a movie theatre for under $1600. That cant be beat. Not everyone has money to burn.

    Not trying to pick a fight here, I just think a lot of these points are not good ones. Unless you own one and set it up right, its easy to point out whats bad about them.
     
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  20. Funkstar De Luxe

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    I know what you're trying to put across, but here, in the UK a HD projector is MORE expensive than a very nice HDTV. Ok, it's smaller - but it has way less draw backs.

    I don't hate projectors, fuck, if a good one was around £500 I'd have one - but I still think they are the lowest rung on the HD ladder.

    The absolute worst thing about them is that black can only be as dark as the white canvas of your screen. And I am much too casual to do all my gaming and TV watching in total darkness. You said your self that there's some things you don't watch on it. Never had that prob with my plasma

    Edit: Although, I suppose getting everywhere in darkness would create a nice atmosphere. No distractions... It's just not for me
     
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