imaging retail 360 disks and xbox original retail disks? [XGD3 and XISO]

my first help request. :smile-new:
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okay, done PLENTY of research and i get 'leads, but NOTHING conclusive, or rather, SAFE!
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i've experience with xbox original, not so much so on the (JOKE) 360.
i have a sofmodded xbox and a hardmodded 360. (RGH/fsd)
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i'm looking for a way to create raw 1/1 images, NON-PATCHED from my retails that DON'T involve flashed xbox drives, a bloody impossible to find 'kreyon' computer drive and NOT using some crazy trapper-disk method! (similar to a swap trick)
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my observations on xbox original, is i can get a split-file dump, one piece at 4g, and the other 2.5g via dvd2xbox, it was the closest thing to RAW i could get.
annoyingly, i can't merge/bind the two as a single-filed 6.5g dump (on a computer app as xbox has filetable limitations like fat32) and what's worse, trying to view contents of that dump shows only part of the overall xiso content.
NOT, and i repeat, NOT looking for an FTP content rip that's the common thing to do, i'm trying to create REDUMP.ORG aligned images, single one-filed 6.5g dumps.
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this is the same for the 360, NOT found a way to raw image the disk, i can FTP rip the directory contents easily enough, but as with xbox original, not looking for those results!
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disabled all 'pre patch' options before any actions are taken, it's NOT enough to just rip the content from disk (unpatched/unaltered) when the buff/dummy data is required, a perfect stream if you will. (the images archived will pack that buff/dummy.dat to zero anyway leaving the resulting archive to be a very similar size to a rebuilt image without buff)
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any help on this will be greatly appreciated, i can supply retail disk/master codes if that'll help? (some of my digging for the 360 disk imaging lead me to a forum that has a specific list of what can/has been dumped, but i'm not sure what i'm looking at there)
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if a computer app using optical drive lead out via TCP (or FTP) would solve this issue, please enlighten me to it's name. :smile-new:
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if all that can be done is the 'usual' (custom drive/360 drive flash) then it need not apply.
i'm aware of the x3key ODE, but i can't afford one atm, if i could, this subject wouldn't exist. (afaik, the x3key like WODE can image disks as raw to an NTFS hdd, please correct me if i'm wrong there)
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thanks for reading, and any possible help here...:cocksure:
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typo...

 

I'd say this question is too close to the forum rules against piracy, especially regarding platforms for which games are still being produced (360, obviously).

 

er?!
that makes as much sense as a bag of bricks to the skull. (took ya long enough, this subject was sat here for two days, not a helpful peep, thanks for that)
so lemme get this straight, the whole show (forum area) is about backing up disks/cartridges, yet the whole place SCREAMS double-standards, CFW talks, others system crack talks...WHAT?!
a MASSIVE EULA/TOC dodge to the nth degree. (depends who's asking the questions eh?)
in case it escaped you, which seems to be an issue, i'm trying to PRESERVE my own stash for archival purposes, NOT piracy.
then again, in that light, this area shouldn't exist in that regard. (do as i say, not as we do)
appreciate your early moderation, not even there yet and barking rules at me, I'M FULLY AWARE OF THEM THANK YOU VERY MUCH! :x
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typo....

 

Except the techniques to rip 360 games are identical to original XBox titles. Mostly.

My Kreon drive doesn't discriminate.

 

I bought a KERON compatible drive from Korea for like $40 they are not hard to find on ebay.

Just buy a drive that works with the FW and flash it yourself, also don't be so rude :/

 

^^ please read the first post, perhaps i'll elaborate..
shipping to my location is an issue, regardless...
are you a staff member now? leave the moderation to the moderators. :|

 

I have a spare IDE Kreon drive I've been looking to sell. I'm in the US.

 

^^ (england here) much appreciated for offer, but where i live, packages beyond a certain size never reach me, that's a postal service/location issue my end. (looking to move when i've enough cash behind me)
again, thanks a lot for the offer, if i can sort out an alternate PO box (for receiving) i'll hit you up! :smile-new:

 

Sure thing, I'm sure it won't be going anywhere anytime soon. It's preflashed and works great, in fact I accidentally killed it once via bad flash and revived it.

 

I just use that 0800 firmware on a spare drive, its easy and you already have all the tools you need.

Also this guy sells these cool little readers

 

Guessing he is ripping apart that HD-DVD drive to fit the components in for the 0800 drive. Not a bad idea though it's sad to see the HD-DVD get gutted for something your 360 can do just fine.

 

http://forum.redump.org/topic/6073/xbox-1-dumping-instructions/

http://redump.org/discs/system/xbox/

 

^^ yep, the same redump guide i came across some time ago, thanks anyway! :smile-new:

 

Kreon drive so to speak is no good these days, ok for xgd2 i guess.. just get a spare 360 drive and flash 0800 fw, by the way i like the idea of putting 360 drive in the hd dvd shell

 

Aren't Xbox discs just standard DVD's in a special format? I don't see why you couldn't just use dd to create a raw image of a disc. Unless it's some special disc like the dreamcast uses it should work fine. You will most likely have to pass --noerror to dd as it will stop at any read errors on the disc (some read errors are purposely placed on disks as a form of copy protection).

As far as burring the image i am not fully sure how you would go about that. You will probably have to hex edit the image and place 0's in all of the locations that had read errors, but you could still end up with a corrupt image.

 

^^ can't say i'm too up on the specifics, sufficed to say, if it was that easy, again, this subject wouldn't exist.
so far, all the feedback on this subject has completely ignored the fact i've accounted for all possible dump methods. (drive sales offer non-withstanding)
what is this 'dd'?
afaik (from a respected xbox dev) the xiso format (and XGD3?) has some offset values that isnn't really 'copy protection' if you know what you're looking at, i don't!
m$ in all their cheapness started the disk layout in reverse...
an x3key would solve this issue in a heartbeat, not taking chances with hex/payload editing when i can't tell WTF i'm looking at and causes me stress.
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the options are as follows:
1, a flashed 360 drive. (a spare naturally, NOT zazzing my only 360 drive)
2, a kreyon ide computer drive or...
3, an x3key ODE, my first choice if $$$ wasn't an issue. :smile-new:
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ALL correct dumps WILL write to any properly sized medium, a standard xiso weighs in at 6.5g, so a dual-layer dvd will work, OR rebuild iso image via cxboxtool to get the TRUE data size (without subchannel stream) then stick that on a mono-layer dvd...
IMGBURN is a classic tool to write xiso's to disk.
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gdi's are TOTALLY different in the medium size at base, like psp umd's and ngc dvd's, their PROPRIETARY disk formats, NO third-party manufacturer has ever produced media for the public nor was writers easily available to them either...
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if not a kreyon, an x3key is a must here, i can tie it in to my 360 drive as i did the wii and dump to an NTFS formatted hdd. :witless:

 

an Xkey CAN NOT dump a x36à game, it's just an emulator that can plat isos off a USB Drive
the only method if you want true 1:1 RAW images is to use a spare 360 drive (like a BenQ or Liteon, try to avoid the old Samsung or Hitachi drives) with a 0800 firmware
Kreon drive can only dump XGD2 and are limited to dump SSv1 (not SSv2)

 

^^ thanks for correction. :smile-new:
so that narrows it down to two options, shame there was no CLI (xp) to 360 os cmd app to stream from the da$h (dvd rom) via TCP!
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still, if i can get a x3key, that'll do me fine, beats RGH. (another story)

 

i will have a look what old 360 drives i have lying around if your interest im in the UK so postage shouldn't be too much, i think i have a BenQ but im pretty sure the laser was dead on it, but i have a few other consoles lying around i can see what drives they have but they will likely be samsungs or hitachi's

 

^^ (a few DO stand out here, it makes a shit!) :smile-new:
REALLY do appreciate the offer, but as mentioned above, my location is an issue (til i can move) and packages beyond certain dimensions never reach me...
if i can resolve the issue, may take you up on offer?!
thanks anyway!