Install Win '98SE after XP PLEASE HELP !

Here's my problem. I've found out that my video capture card only runs under Win '98. I've had a good look for new drivers for win XP but there aren't any. So here's my problem, I can't install '98 on to a separate hard drive or the same Hard Drive through XP because it has no DOS So I need to know is there any way to reinstall '98se on my PC without having to delete XP. maybe through DOS but how can I get my PC to boot up in DOS with CDROM/DVD-ROM support?

Please help otherwise there'll be no more Retro Core until I buy a new capture card which won't be soon :smt009

Yakumo

 

hmmm you could use a program that makes a part of your HD fat32 and call it for an example drive P or something else and then reboot xp and press the delete button to go in to the bios and get the 1. bootdrive to be D(or the name of the dvd/cd drive)

and then put the windows98se in and re boot the pc and install win98se at the new drive that is a fat32 drive but a bigger explanation and maybe even a better one ask some of the others.

 

Isn't there an option to install two OS's and select which one to start up with?
I don't know where exactly it's located, but I've seen many machines give two options when started up.

The problem would be the hard drive standard.

 

This isn't the best way of doing things (sorry mate ). What Wolverine's talking about here is partitioning and then installing windows on the new partition. While this will probably all go smoothly, you'll be stuck with going into the BIOS and changing the drive you want to boot from, each time you want to change which windows you want to boot up. Not the way to go.

Instructions on how to dual-boot 98 after you've installed XP are here: http://www.winxpfix.com/page5.htm#howwin982000

 

Just add a new entry to the boot.ini file, and have a menu at bootup, no need to piss around with the BIOS every time. You can use the inbuilt XP partition mamager to re-size your NTFS partition to include a small FAT32 one, and install 98 on there.

I had the same problem with my capture cards when I went to XP, I just gave up on it, I get pissed off with multi-boot stuff. Another reason why I gave up on Linux on my PC. I *need* XP for certain things, but I have multiple hard drives on my laptop, so I can swap and change that and get the best out of both worlds.

 

What type of video capture card is it? Brand/model etc?

 

Just buy a new capture card.. less hassle and you'd improve a lot because if your card only works under windows 98 it's old anyways.
And it's not like they ar eterribly expensive these days.

 

Are you going for a dual boot option, or do you want to replace XP?

Firstly, your Windows 98SE CD should be bootable.

Method 1 - booting from CD

N.B. if you want to dual boot, first use a partition manager (e.g. Partition Magic) within Windows XP to create another partition.

1. Go into your BIOS setup (press DEL or an Fkey or CTRL+ESC on bootup - it should tell you which).
2. The second option is most likely to be Advanced something. Choose that
3. You should see an option to change boot order. Either a list of 4 devices, or 1 list that you scroll through
4. Set the 1st boot device to be 3.5" Floppy
5. Set the 2nd boot device to be CD-ROM (0 if there's a number)
6. Set the 3rd boot device to be HDD0
7. Select the Exit and Save Changes option
8. The computer will reboot - make sure the Windows 98SE CD is in the drive
9. When propted, press a key to boot from CD
10. You will get options like Start Windows 98 Setup, Start Computer with CDROM Support, Start Computer Wiithout CDROM Support. Choose Start Computer With CDROM Support

This should take you to a DOS prompt.

1. Type "FDISK" (without quotes) and press Return
2. Press "Y" to enable large disk support
3. Go to the last option (4), to view partitions. You'll have either 1 or 2 partitions, one should be labelled C:
4. If you want to remove XP, then choose the Delete Partition option (3), then Delete Non-DOS partition (4).
5. If you want to keep XP, then go to Set Active Partition (2) and choose the 2nd partition you made in XP (the non-labelled one)
6. Select Create DOS Partition (1) and follow the prompts.
7. When told to, reboot with the CD still in
8. Follow the above instructions to load FDISK again
9. Select option 4, and note what drive letter has been assigned to your new partition (let's call this "x")
10. Exit FDISK back to the DOS prompt
11. Type "FORMAT x:" (without quotes, and replacing x with the drive letter from step 9)
12. Once the partition is formatted, you may install windows by typing "SETUP" (without quotes) or by rebooting and choosing Start Windows 98 Setup

Method 2 - booting from Floppy

1. Follow the same steps as above to get into your BIOS setup and put the floppy drive as first boot device, and HDD0 as second
2. Download a boot disk image from www.bootdisk.com or www.putergeek.com. N.B. a Windows 95 or Windows ME boot disk will also work
3. Create the boot disc by running that program with a floppy in drive A: (within XP)
4. Reboot with the floppy disk in the drive still
5. This will take you to a DOS prompt
6. From here, you need to know the CDROM drive letter. With putergeek's image, it is X: as is mentioned on the bootup screen
7. You may need the Windows 98SE CD in the drive now
8. Follow the second section of Method 1, about FDISK. If you cannot run FDISK or FORMAT, then they aren't on the floppy. In this case, change to the CDROM drive (e.g. type "X:" (without quotes).

Incidentally, what card is it? Also, what chipset is it? I'll take a look for a driver for you. Sometimes a Windows 2000 driver works on XP, actually.

 

Thanks for the info. I'll give them a try tonight if I get time. My Capture card is a BUFALO MEG-VC2. It was quite expensive at 22'000 yen. It's a MPEG 2 plus AVI card (can do anything as long as you have the codec.) It can encode MPEG 2 higher than what most DVDs are encoded at. Up to something crazy like 30mbps Here is the driver URL http://buffalo.melcoinc.co.jp/download/driver/multi/meg-vc2.html It's all in japanese but you can see that it only runs under Windows ME/98/95 which is stupid concidering the card was made in 2000.

Yakumo

 

I love how half of the time, problems with perfectly good hardware are met with, "Oh, just buy a new one..." I wonder if people just assume that all of us have money for new hardware, or don't care about throwing out something perfectly functional just because we can't get it running right away?

Just a pet peeve, I've had hardware troubles too and gotten similar responses. I guess I'm just used to making the best of what I have and not be wasteful...

 

Be warned though - whatever you do, *DO NOT* just make a FAT32 partition and try installing Win98 on that when there's still XP there too. I tried that - it ended totally b0rking the partition table so I couldn't see Win2k or Linux, and none of my other NTFS partitions. I ended up reformatting the whole damn drive because I made no backups of the partition table (Linux can supposedly do this but I don't know how well it works). And that's why I hate EVERYTHING.

 

No worries there. I'll be sticking Win '98 on a different Hard Drive than what XP is on or maybe the same hard drive under a different partition that is already FAT32. I'm planning on doing it tomorrow.

By the way, GST. I totaly agree with you there. THere's noway I can afford a new good video capure card. I'm talking at least 20'000 yen for one.

Yakumo

 

If your partition table gets screwed there are options for recovery. I think partition magic has a recovery tool.

 

Alternatively, you can try Dscaler (google on it), it has built-in drivers for several cards and chipsets.

 

Nah, I couldn't find a driver for this, sorry. You could try contacting them, but I wouldn'y hold much hope.

If you are going by bitrate, the total bitrate for DVD is 8.8mbps I believe, which is video AND audio. Most TV cards will do something like 12. Why you'd need any more than that I don't know - whatever video format you choose to save it in in the end will end up less.

If you bought it in 2000, then yeah I'd advise an upgrade. Capture cards were still expensive back then, and have come down a lot now. Back then, an entry level card was £80, now its £20. Plus no XP compatability is a big disadvantage.

 

Try finding out what capturey chip thingy (yes, very technical terminology here!) it uses - there's not a lot of them around and out of all the different analogue capture card manufacturers today there's really only Philips and Connexant who actually make these chips. Though it was different a while back - the BT848 (by Brooktree) and 878 were very common in these things before.

I don't know if MPEG encoder cards like this use the same stuff though (I only know about normal analogue capture/TV cards), and I think NEC may have made some of these chips at some stage too (though I may be imagining things). Look at the card anyway, and see if there's any significant-looking chip with some brand name on it.

I know it cost a lot of money, but the lack of WinXP is very annoying - especially taking into account that the FAT32 file system has a filesize limit of 4GB, unlike NTFS which has no limit I know of. I'd recommend (if you have like €50 to spare) just to get a new TV card without any of that MPEG encoding crapola - with today's massive HDD sizes you can afford to use lossless compression like Huffyuv or MJPEG when capturing and editing/processing, meaning you only lose quality in the video when you're encoding into your final format (like XviD with Retro Core).

 

Yakumo: Try google-j'ing your problem. You will likely find some solutions. On a seperate note, WHEN was is 22,000 yen? You can get some pretty cheap stuff that will capture fine now (and have very recent drivers). You've got more than enough tech geeks here that can help you find a $100 USD solution, if not $50.

EDIT:
Here's one. I have a Pinnacle card. They're very good consumer-level cards, which is really all you need.

 

As I said before, if you're planning on using a capture card for stuff like Retro Core, there isn't really much need for a card with hardware MPEG-1/2 encoding. And I don't know of any consumer-grade cards that do hardware MPEG-4 (i.e. DivX/XviD) encoding. Over here I can get a good enough normal card for 40-60 Euro, though I'm really pissed off with the one I have now (Hauppauge WinTV PCI-FM) because it has no proper PAL-60 support (unlike ones with Philips chips). Though I don't know of any cards that don't support NTSC-M Japan (yes it is *slightly* different from normal NTSC-M), so that won't be a problem for you.

 

Really, what software are you using?
i have a winTv Primio, and using Dscaler it works perfectly in PAL60, though you have to tell i that it's getting a pal60 signal

 

I loe pinnacle cards I have one.

Also used to use a DC30+, very nice card.