Kiosk Demo Disk

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  1. lllsondowlll

    lllsondowlll Fiery Member

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    Anyone remember this dinky little ISO?

    The one where Microsoft forgot to put the media flag on the XEX? Remember when it was patched and you could no longer boot the ISO from a blank disc on a virgin drive and everyone abandon it?

    Well I was thinking what exactly did the dash update do, did it just patch the Media Flag? I remember back then there were no backups and modchips just started coming out and so the kiosk disc was lost.

    I'm thinking all microsoft did was issue a media flag in the dashboard so it wouldn't boot so I was thinking since it has been forgotten all this time if anyone has actually taken the whole ISO and attempted to make a layerbreak and burn it to a dual layer disc as a backup. I want to try it but I have seem to have lost the ISO quite some time ago.

    I don't know its just an idea, if it works the files will still be editable bringing back the old fun of loading flash games and creating homebrew games for the xbox 360. The only thing I'm worried about and could be very possible is that I fear microsoft blacklisted the XEX from even booting but then again some how I doubt that because when it was patched back then it was pretty instant and I don't think they would blacklist a public kiosk disk otherwise they would have to re-issue them to kiosk units.

    So does anyone know if the XEX is just media flag patched or if the booting XEX is just blacklisted from loading altogether despite the media checks?
     
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  2. wombat

    wombat SEGA!

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    the kiosks arent connected to XBL, so I guess it would be so strange if they actually blacklisted the whole disc!... but this is speculation of cource.
     
  3. Krypton_VII

    Krypton_VII Peppy Member

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    How would this disc bring back homebrew..

    Only reason you could launch code back then was because of a hypervisor exploit which was patched with a KingKong shader.. Maybe some mods/modifications, but homebrew? Nein.

    They said datafiles weren't signed, but other than a shader, nothing could produce homebrew.

    If you still have the disc, and an un-updated Xbox 360, it'll boot. But if you're that far back on the kernel, might as well just run a hacked KingKong and start cooking up some shaders.
     
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  4. tmbinc

    tmbinc Spirited Member

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    They checked for the media ID, and if they found the kiosk disc media id, they would change the media flags to the "proper" flags, i.e. to boot only from XGD2 media.

    That means: Starting the the kernel version where they fixed that (i don't remember the exact version), you could boot the kiosk disc only if it the console believe it's an authentic disc (which includes a modified dvd-firmware with a copy). They didn't blacklist the disc, you just couldn't run it anymore from a non-authentic disc.

    And while it would be possible to port the actual shader exploit to the kiosk disc (in fact, this has been done, but for other reasons), it wouldn't help much because

    a.) Those kernel which are exploitable (Kernel 4532 and 4548) already have the blacklist, so running the kiosk disc is as complicated as running the full game, so you don't gain anything versus using the game,
    b.) those (early) kernels which still run the kiosk disc from non-XGD2-media are not exploitable.

    In fact, if they wouldn't have fixed the bug until 4532, we could recover DVD keys today.
     
  5. lllsondowlll

    lllsondowlll Fiery Member

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    I think everyone is largely misunderstanding what I mean by homebrew. I am not referring to booting unsigned XEX's from the disc itself I'm referring to actually porting flash based games to the disc which has been done in the past making homebrew games for the xbox 360. Source here: http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/31/how-to-run-flash-games-on-your-xbox-360/

    This means it still can be run with modified firmware? This sounds like it pretty much confirms my theory all they did was fix the media flag in the new kernels meaning modified dvd firmware can run it correct? Even to date in the NXE?
     
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  6. Tyler

    Tyler Enthusiastic Member

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    It could be possible this was overlooked but even if you could get this to boot on an older kernel I'm almost positive all the files on the disc are still signed with some sort of rsa encryption so even if you could get it running on every retail box u couldn't launch any homebrew.

    and xenon j/w didnt some people on xbox hacker mod the shader code to make the xbox soft reboot while hotswapping the nand or somthing like that? They said they had mixed sucsess, but (aparrently) did get it to boot in an unasighned kernel?
     
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  7. lllsondowlll

    lllsondowlll Fiery Member

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    Ugh, guys thats not what I am implying at all! what does this even have to do with launching homebrew flashgames. Why are you talking about homebrew code or needing to boot from an older kernel? Has nothing to do with what I am doing... No where did I mention booting unsigned code or using the kiosk disc as some hypervisor exploit...

    If you read in my original post I stated I was attempting to run homebrew FLASH GAMES. This is because the swf's and xex's on the kiosk disc are not signed with the private key so they can be modified allowing you to run some of your own flash games and allows you to mod the demo games...
    I was asking if the kernel blacklisted the kiosk xex from booting or if it just patched the media flag. Tmbinc mentioned it was just patched the media flag and that it can run from a modified DVD firmware. I just needed him to confirm if he was sure this was the case and if it works on the NXE build because if it does we can bring back kiosk disk content back meaning we can inject our own flash files / movie files / modify the XML and menus and more so we can make our own homebrew games. So my question still stands will this work with the NXE and ixtreme 1.6 thats ALL I am asking...

    So to break it down for everyone.

    I am trying to boot homebrew flash games via kiosk disc on NXE nothing more nothing less.

    Source:
    http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/31/h...your-xbox-360/
     
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  8. tmbinc

    tmbinc Spirited Member

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    lllsondowlll: yes, that should work.
     
  9. lllsondowlll

    lllsondowlll Fiery Member

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    Okay, then we are good to go.. Time to get experimenting... Now to find that ancient disc, I think I had it laying around here somewhere...
     
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  10. Tyler

    Tyler Enthusiastic Member

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    I see, If u can DL the iso then extract it
    Then create a regular ixtreme stealth iso the disc would probably load
    im prety sure m$ didnt ban the xex they probably just disabled the media flag so u couldent play it of any disc. What im realy saying is i i think your on to somthing and best of luck.
     
  11. l_oliveira

    l_oliveira Officer at Arms

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    Just be careful to not get your XBOX360 console banned for running wonky discs. :)
     
  12. lllsondowlll

    lllsondowlll Fiery Member

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    Well there is enough padding in the iso just to extract and inject swf and replace files theres nothing really you need to rebuild unless your adding files like movies or music. I'm wondering if rebuilding would actually work...

    I'll try it after I finish making my xbox 1 360 case...

    I may need the ISO again if I cant find it... so if anyone has any information on that, PM me.
     
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  13. bob

    bob Robust Member

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    Why not install a
    INFECTUS X360 CPU TIME ATTACK ADD ON (DOWNGRADE DASHBOARD)
    INFECTUS 2 modchip
    Cygnos360
    a nice and quiet benq drive flashed and you are set
    to tinker and mess around with linux or have a multi region xbox

     
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  14. LEo

    LEo Fiery Member

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    Timing attack only works on old xenon boards that haven't been repaired.
     
  15. l_oliveira

    l_oliveira Officer at Arms

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    I like this idea but what I have here is a Lite-On and I never found an non-hacked firmware to spoof and flash in it. :p

    you happen to know if dumps of original lite-on fw exist ?
     
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