Latvia Approves Nazi memorial march..

Nazi memorial march approved in Latvia

RIGA, Latvia, March 3 (UPI) -- Authorities in Latvia Thursday approved a planned Nazi march later this month in the capital Riga by the national youth organization.

The march on March 16 will mark the anniversary of the founding of the Lativian division of the Waffen SS, the Itar-Tass news agency reported.

An official in Riga said law enforcement agencies did not object to the march.

The city parliament of Liepaja recently gave similar permission to local Nazi supporters, the news agency said.

Russian-speaking and leftist organizations of Liepaja have warned that the march could lead to clashes in the streets.

Veterans of Waffen SS divisions themselves have said they will not organize any processions on that day, the report said.

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SEIG HEIL! NOT!

 

Nuclear missle--Destination Riga, Latvia at March 16.

 

:smt071 :smt067 :angry :no :smt014 :die :funkinmu: :ayashi

 

By silencing the Nazi's you're being Fascist yourself - It's just like saying homosexuals arn't allowed to have a March because you're heterosexual. Democracy isn't the only system in the world and being Fascist is not necessarily evil. They're not actually harming anyone by marching though my only gripe would be if they Marched @ 3am in the morning when I'm asleep, only then would I tell them where to stick it -_-

 

But the Nazis don't exactly have the best of reputations after some certain atrocities a while back. It's not like homosexuals have killed thousands of Jews, have they?

 

That is true but they shouldn't be comemorated because of their actions.

 

nazis killed jews, americans killed indians, killing is killing.

 

So what's your point? White Americans should march down the streets in celebration of how the native Americans were slaughtered?

 

Oh Christ, that's utterly ridiculous. That's like saying it's discrimination against rapists and murderers to lock them up in jail. It's okay for the Ku Klux Klan to lynch black people, because they are just expressing their beliefs, right? It would be pretty discriminatory of us to say that's bad... The issue here is not whether to allow fascism to exist in this world, the problem is that people are allowing open expression of the Nazi Party values by allowing them to march. In case you're not too familiar with the ideals of the Nazi Party, I'd suggest finding an encyclopedia entry or good book on World War II, read it, and then say that it's REALLY a bad thing for those ideals to be frowned upon or actively blocked in the current day. Better yet, why not ask members here - I'm sure many people have relatives that could tell you what was so bad about the Nazi Party. Hell, I bet some of us have relatives that WOULD tell you about it, had they made it home alive.

That was a pretty stupid comment.

 

Well, the Americans versus Indians was a long and tiresome battle that eventually resulted in their deaths, because we wanted their lands. I cant say im proud of it, but thats how America got lots of its lands. I dont think it was out of hate, but more like greed, but all Countries had to betray or hurt others to gain power in the first place. Killing a whole race because of their religion, though, is just horrible.

 

well, americans and europeans killed natives because of their weird religion.... so....

 

Well the puritans wer hard-asses. Spain also instated the Spanish Inquisition, and killed and tortured all sorts of people, because of their religion. All countries probably did it at one time, but I think the Nazis holocaust was very terrible, and then when 9-11 happened it was because of thier beliefs against "infidels".
I think its childish of countries to kill people and start wars with countries because they arent their religion.

 

heres a little joke:
"I AM GOING TO KILL ALL JEWS AND A CLOWN"
"WHY A CLOWN?"
"SEE, NO1 CARES ABOUT THE JEWS EheahhAEHhaehAE"
:s

 

Not downplaying the Holocaust in any sense, or the millions of lost Jewish - and people of other raceial/religious/other associations' - lives, but there have been other genocides and holocausts this century that have bene just as terrible, if a scale can be made for such things, and just as horrific both in execution and death count as the Nazis' genocide. As for mention of the Inquistion - more Jewish and Moor lives were lost and destroyed during that wretched, drawn out sickening genocide than during the Holocaust. The Holocaust receives a lot of attention, and not witout cause, but it must not be seen as the the only mass genocide and holocaust ofrecent times or memory, because this is simply forgetting other lives and their worth.


The Nanjing massacre, the Serbian genocide in Bosnia, the Khmer Rouge..Rwanda...and so on. And fans of the twisted minds that masterminded these genocides parade regularly in their home countries and abroad in support of them and the subhumans who carried out the mass killings - particularly in Serbia, where Milosevic is hailed a national hero by many, many people. Yet there is no protest. And these are just the mass genocides per se ... despite the Sabra and Shatila/East Indian split/NoGun Ri/My Lai/Gujarat etc massacres, even after top-tier political or at least military ties have been established to the command for their execution - their perpretators are still hailed as national heroes in their countries and abroad.

The point is that the Nazis carried out atrocities that carry them far beyond the pale of legitimacy as a group, movement or organization of any kind. Opposition to marches by their supporters has a lot of base and merit. What is bothering, however, is how where it is politically expedient, certain genocides and massacres are let alone to be remembered for what they were, while others are tucked away, brushed off, and basically swept under the carpet - becasue it is politically expedient in those cases to do so. Because basically, the 'good guys' had their hand in the pot of blood as well, but because they have an image campaign to keep up as standard-bearers of all things good, there's no way those mass murders will be given any attention.

No man and his organization - if they can be called that - with records just as grisly as Hitler's and just as subhuman - has ever been brought before the Hague with as much deserved punishment and pursuit as were Hitler and the Nazis. Milosevic's trial is a joke. Pol Pot was let alone. Saddam will likely never make it there either or get what he deserves. It is very bothering how essentially lives are being devalued by doing this.

As for the implication that genocide is just somethign that happens and has always happend to take over other nations and lands, I disagree strongly. While invasion and war is always an ugly thing, history has shown us numerous tiems in the past that lands have been conquered and invaded with only the deaths of their defending forces, and without random massacre , pillaging, rape, earth scorching and so on, unlike the virtual necessities they have become since pretty much the Spanish Inquistion.

 

Ok, now before I get into this, lemme defend m'self. I have NO nice feelings whatsoever for the KKK OR the Nazi's, but the problem with the KKK is not that they hate people. They can hate people all they want, what they CANNOT do is go around killing people.

You are allowed to believe anything, ANYTHING, no matter how ridiculous, and so long as you don't actually DO anything against the law (i.e. infringe on anyone ELSE's freedoms), you can go on believing any wacky ass thing you want.

If I wanted to start the "Put my wang in a baby's ear" party, and talk about putting my wang in baby's ears all day, I can do that, and if you try and stop me, you're in the wrong. If I actually put my wang in that baby's ear, then I'm in the wrong.

There is absolutely, positively, NOTHING that is too perverse to allow someone to BELIEVE. There are, however, plenty of things that are too perverse and fucked up to allow anyone to DO. THAT is the line, not anywhere else.

 

I guess I just don't agree with our world's current policy of brushing off moral or ethical deficiencies (KKK supporters, Nazi supporters, etc.) as 'differences in beliefs', but I guess that's just the state of the planet. It certianly lends support to the saying, "If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything."
The thing that cracks me up to no end is the fact that, at least in America, people are willing to run crying and screaming to a court about first amendment rights being violated should anyone even talk about silencing these groups, despite the fact that these groups harbor possibly the farthest thing from goodwill to all humanity.

 

you mean like columbus day?



before anyone blasts me..id just like to point out that columbus killed more of the taino people than hitler killed jews...

 

muahaha!

 

I've got to jump in with WanganRunner here. In a free society, everyone has to be free to express themselves, as long as that expression doesn't lead to harm agaisnt people or property. Where it starts to blur is when there's violence that is incited by such hate speech, and that's how you shut these people down. But you have to prove they incited such violence, that's the hard part.

So, I hate racist white power pieces of shit too (got a bunch of them up in Ventura just north of me,) but according to principle, the same laws that allow me to be free have to apply to them as well. We don't have to like what they say, but they still have the right to say it.

So, if all they do is march and go "Seig Heil!" and goosestep like morons, that's fine. The minute they step over the line and hurt someone there should be three hundred roit cops beating some white power ass.

 

It's a difficult line to draw, I would say. You cannot separate actions from ideas and the fact that crimes of this nature are fanned by speech, media and propaganda. You can't stop freedom of ideas and expression, but there is a line in demonstrating ideas that have no purpose but to to propagate hate.
There's no doubt that hate-fuelled demonstrations, publications, media and film has direct correlation to hate crimes committed under their influence. And yes, there are are hate crime laws, but they are inadequate in every sense. I think it fails most as to how dangerous hate and propaganda is because majorities, as opposed ot minorities, are never their target.

That said, the most dangerous and subtle propaganda by far and hate is, by far, as opposed to groups and organizarions, the state-sponsored variety.