Let's assume ghosts & aliens are real on earth

Then how would they react to the massive amount of video capturing technology nowadays? Back in the day, it was ridiculously rare that someone would bring a photo/video camera to any haunted place. Nowadays, not only the military but also private companies like Google have access to satellite and webcam images 24 hours a day, covering a very huge chunk of the populated areas on earth.

Now if ghosts and demons are real - and there has been some freaky stuff out there that still remains unexplained - how would they react to all this? Real, rock-solid proof of aliens and ghosts is not public yet. However, every developed country has millions and millions of camera users out there, basically just waiting for the right moment to take a picture. Sure, they could just appear when nobody is there, or maybe they always know when they are filmed. But I find this unrealistic. The coverage we receive from earth is quite dense, and earlier or later an accidental appearance may happen.

Given that ghosts (demons, appearances) and aliens (visitors on earth) are existing, how come we haven't seen them yet, except on those obvious hoax websites? Thoughts?

 

As far as aliens are concerned i am not entirely sure. Unless they exist in another dimension not visible to us and tear holes in our space time continium to reach out dimension when they see fit (not likely). Or maybe some other completely out there explanation. Although i believe in the possibility of aliens, as it is hard to believe our earth is the only planet supporting sentient life in our entire universe, i don't think we have aliens on earth. Or if we did it was only a one time occurrence that the government/military of some country was well aware of had hid very well.

Assuming we are the most technologically advanced life forms (if there are more) isn't very logical either.

I find ghosts to be more believable, but i have no logical explanation of their existence. Perhaps science will unveil it one day. If you were to analyze all of the near death experiences you would find that nearly all of the are identical and involve the person seeing their body from the outside and eventually seeing a light to walk towards to. Most of these people can recall watching events from a third person perceptive that occurred while they were dead or unconscious.

Perhaps it's all orchestrated, but on such a large scale it would be difficult. Or perhaps it's a hallucination that all people experience when the brain begins shut down. No one has an explanation for this, so my only thoughts is this is what either begins or associates with ghosts and other paranormal activity. People claiming to see ghosts could be a multitude of things. Maybe they are hallucinations inflicted by ghosts / demons by interfering with brain electrical patterns. Maybe they exist appear in the UV spectrum (like black lights) which most cameras cannot pick up.



All i can say is that i don't really know, nor do i think anyone else (except maybe a large government / military body) knows either. We have a lot of evidence, but no definitive proof either way.

 

Well, my thoughts on Ghost, goblins, monsters and Aliens are pretty simple.
I have worked with people with mental illness quite a lot... Im talking about paranoid schizophrenia and stuff like that. I live in a medium sized city, about half a million people. So about 1/14000th of the earth population.

I have met plenty of people claiming stuff like "neighbor walks through walls" , " Doctors are stealing my bones and organs and replacing them with different ones", " MY DOOR KEEPS OPENING ITSELF" and I forgot what else.

And I have not met one hundredth of the weirdos in my town. Multiply that by the remaining population of the earth and It seems absolutely normal to me that hundreds of thousands of people would claim stuff like " I have been abducted by Aliens" Or "my house is Haunted"

Sorry if this offends some people, I am not saying that everyone who claims to have witnessed paranormal stuff is insane but let's be honest, it is likely that a vast majority are. Or are just lying for attention. Now this leaves a minority of events that are actually genuine unexplained sightings, I believe most of them have a rational explanation. But Is it possible that some are genuine sightings of true alien or other fantastic forces of nature? Well I guess it is not impossible, but from my experience, very unlikely.

Now, do I believe in Aliens? I certainly believe there are other intelligent lifeforms in the universe. Do I believe they visit us with UFOs? No.

 

I try to base my ideas about reality on science and rational thought. There is no solid scientific evidence for ghosts, goblins, Ghosts'n Goblins, or aliens. It's my view that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And so far, I haven't seen it. That's not to say that it's impossible, or that it'll never happen, but so far I haven't seen it. Personally, I have no interest in so-called "paranormal" phenomena - because they're obviously based on occult traditions and superstition. The idea of aliens, on the other hand, is something that at least seems plausible. But still, the incontrovertible evidence has not yet surfaced.

 

I one hundred percent agree with you, but at the end of the day can we definitively say that any of these do or do not exist?

Personally i would like to think things like this exists and have some super scientific explanation that we cannot yet fathom, it would make things a tad less boring sometimes. I also would like to believe in some form of a god (although not as the multitude of books always depict) and the afterlife, but i have no definitive proof for that either. I just can't fathom the idea that the complex nature of our internal minds simply disappears when we die, but i also like to be optimistic about that.

Personally i believe all religions stemmed from the same religion, but changed as they were translated and passed down. There are some very striking similarities between all of them actually. It's hard for me to accept any pure religion as most of them involve sending souls to a type of hell. I can't imagine any god that loved and cared about us to just throw its hard work away. Maybe he sends them back to try a get it right the next time? Sounds a bit like Buddhism at that point.

Not to get off topic, but the point i was trying to make is that we really have no clue. We have evidence but no definitive proof (or even validation of most evidence).

Although it wouldn't surprise me if most of those people were insane.

 

I so wish I had carried a digi-cam on me during that warm dusk in summer 1993, when I visited my pal on my bicycle.

 

I was talking to a friend the other week while watching the X-Files and commented on how something on the screen is why I have a hard time believing people with their stories of alien abduction. She merely shot back "let people believe what they want to" after some back and forth as apparently she felt I was trying to shove my viewpoint down the world's throat. Fact is my grandmother was a subscriber to FATE magazines for 40+ years and I've read damn near every issue they've had.

Most alien abduction stories follow the same handful of details, much like a framework, and some deviations of details or invention of dialog and what not. Most of the description of greys appeared after the first of the greys which signals one of two things: 1)People are influenced by the stories of others or 2)The greys started to visit and kept it up. I can conclusively demonstrate the former if pressed and the latter cannot be proven or disproven. Shit about people seeing bigfoot has to be a joke because you can't keep something that large hidden forever from view. Someone would've found a homonid corpse, someone would've had 1080p video by now, some redneck hunter would've shot the thing right between the eyes from 100 yards with a rifle and hauled it home on the hood of their truck. Sure people thought Gorillas and Giant Pandas were stories until they were hauled out of the forest but the people living there had actually seen the damned things Europeans just thought they were hot shit and that the locals were barbarians and thus were superstitious (but apparently being ridiculously religious isn't superstition?).

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I can't prove God doesn't exist anymore than you can prove that God doesn't. The Bible flat out says that God created the Earth which means God is not of the Earth. By it's own description God is an alien from beyond the moon. Somehow this alien (or aliens?) have conquered aging and licked quantum physics. Jesus can be explained by genetic engineering with IVF or simply IVF. Assuming the title "virgin" was accurate (and I don't believe it was much beyond a mistranslation) then there is no reason why we can't today have "virgin births". The entire "water into wine" thing could be explained through advanced technology (though anything that could rapidly do so would likely generate much heat unless there is something we still have to learn about physics...).

You know what thought really scares me a bit though? That we could be living in a simulated universe and all is for naught. I was contemplating the beginning and end of the universe and it makes some sense that it is cyclical or at the very least this universe was created as the result of another process. Our linear existance forces us to think a certain way which is:

1)that this laptop I'm typing on was built by a factory.
2)that factory was built by people to build something (in this case laptops, who knows what else)
3)the factory has equipment inside of walls which are made from materials that were mined/cut down/processed somehow
4)the materials mined took time to be created by geologic processes. The materials that were cut down took time to grow
5)the atoms that make up these objects were created by stars going nova

And then you'd wonder where the stars came from and what came from them, etc. We view things as a linear process from A to B to Z when the universe itself is likely not that simple. I don't understand quantum physics and we're still hammering out the problems with it but it would seem that the amount of education the average person recieves doesn't give them the skills to understand that they lack the understanding to properly understand the universe around them and instead escape into religion to give them quick and easy answers to questions that we will not possibly answer in our own lifetimes. It is rather comforting to have an answer for everything and to think it all happens for a reason rather than bad things happening to good people for absolutely no reason.

tl;dr APE thinks way too much for his own good.

 

How self-conscious are ghosts and demons supposed to be? I always thought they were driven entirely by some intense desire/emotion with no real awareness of their surroundings.

What if they can never be photographed because the physical manifestation that people claim is actually a hallucination from allowing one to enter his/her mind?

 

Welcome to the club, we have a pool table downstairs and the fridge is loaded with snacks thanks to Jeff's mom.

 

This.

Also i have no clue about aliens, but concerning UFOs there's quite a lot of weird videos, records. From the belgium traingle UFOs that had wide radar tracking and wast number of people witnessing, to for example the UFOs over a soccer field near my city that in the '80 caused a match between fiorentina and pistoiese to be stopped 'cause people on the grandstand and players were scared.

Also there might be terrestrian ufos, we haven't seen much in new flying weapons beside drones and invisible to radar aircrafts in the last... 20years?

In any case one thing i always been thiking about flying saucers is that they have been seen in skyed for 1000s of years and they more or less have similar shapes, shapes that make more sense for a flying machine supposed to move in space more than in an atmosphere.

 

the aliens out there dont visit us because they cant break the prime directive of never interfere with civilization progress. Thats just a trekkie joke. I believe there are life out there on another planets, has to be the universe is to big just to be populated by us. No alien will ever enter here because the human it too destructive. For anyone to explore he space has to be unite and forget the intention of power and richness of the individual and need to start thinking global, its the only way it can be done. I hope Roddenberry was right in his vision and the world will get better.

 

I always say the same thing. It makes no difference if you believe in them or not. Because maybe someday you will and it all comes down to seeing is believing.

I have my doubts about certain things such as the idea of demons. I have experienced a wide array of things and it doesn't bother me that people are skeptical or have not seen these things themselves.

 

Huh?
Since when ghost and aliens are NOT real???

You see i see dead people and sometime they are seeing aliens so I see those too.

 

Couldn't have said it better myself. Thank you for respecting science and rational thought, as I wish everyone would. The more accurate your understanding is of the reality we inhabit, the better it would be for everyone.

Near death experiences mean nothing. First of all, its near death, not dead. Second of all, isn't it so odd that when many of the people who have these experiences explain them right after, that it usually contains something relating to the religion that they already believed? That is the nail in the coffin for me that these experiences mean nothing other than their brain is malfunctioning since it is dying. A dying brain is bound to see/understand things that hold no weight, just as a overheating video card may show off-put visuals.


I may as well as mention that I have latched onto the idea that other life forms exist, but the planets that can support life require specific configurations and are so few that they just happened to be spread out far enough from each other that we may never come into contact with them. As the universe grows older and spreads out, it will just become more and more unlikely. That makes the most sense with what information we have now & respecting our current limits, imho.

 

I've heard of people seeing ghosts before, I haven't, but I don't doubt that ghosts may be real. As for the whole alien scenario, as stated before IF they were to visit, I believe that we would be conquered or something, as they'd probably be way advanced than us. If i'm correct, I believe i read somewhere that for aliens our radio signals would be very old which may be a reason as to why we haven't been in contact with them yet. If they ever did visit, it would be cool if we could learn from them, but i guess we wouldn't know what would happen until everything goes down.

 

I've seen an UFO before and it was no hallucinations or such thing. I don't claim it must be some alien's work behind, but there is absolutely nothing contemporary that could explain the seen incident. Put it in other words, it very certainly was nothing that could have been created by us earthlings.

 

You're forgetting about all of the people in the rich areas.

 

When it comes down to it anecdotal evidence simply does not count when it comes to science.
People see something they can't explain,there first mistake is to make up a answer to what they saw or felt,instead the most honest answer would be to say I don't know.

​But back on the subject.

What is the default position of ghost and aliens.
Is it to disbelieve until there is evidence or believe until it can be disproved.

 

There was a test done a few years back by a doctor who regularly dealt with patients on the edge of death.

After so many reports of near death experiences he decided to put huge sums of money on top of the cupboards in the operating theatre as so many people said when they were having an outer body experience they were always floating really high at the top of the room.

He figured that if they really were out of body and able to look around, eventually someone would spot the money and do off with it or mention it.

Nobody ever found it after it being there for 5 years.

A little silly but I liked what he was getting at.