Mass production of FAKE Gold Famicom Cartridges?

You're not explaining the reasons why, though. What makes them fake to you?

I know about past Yam Yam gold cassette. If you look, you will see I posted in the topic at the time.

You said you intend to make list of people that sell them, but I think you must be 100% sure of things first before doing anything like that, and to me you are not at all. And that is not right, at least to me.

 

Could you show a couple of pictures from inside the manual?

 

I prefer that MundoCombo does not do that but just answer a simple question :

Can you spot a fake tetris easily just by comparing to yours ?

 

Why would you prefer him not too?
He could put a watermark over the picture?
I don't have Tetris and I didn't imply that I did!

 

Absolutely, I can and you would too. The quality of the original print and the scans os Sega Ages are obvious, this is a pic of the original, if somebody want to sell a Tetris to you, ask him a macro photo, the definition must be the same:



I've had a chat with the seller of the fakes, ha has sold more than 100 units already.

 

Okay, here's an interesting question - What is the provenance of your Sega Tetris - (How do you know it's legit?) Where did you get it? How trustworthy is your source?

The same can be applied to these carts you're discussing here - How many numbers were produced (I've yet to see anyone confirm that) and where did they come from?

Obviously, if they came from some guy in Thailand who was ALSO selling custom made 'gold plated jewellery' then we should be suspicious

 

Yeah, those are fake. Adol's are fake, too. So are all of the other pictures I've seen. Oh, the Tetris you have is a fake, too.

Honestly? I have no clue if those are fake or not, but I think that's the point. Even if you get a real one there will be plenty of people lining up to say it's fake, and since there's no consensus on what a real one is then you're pretty much screwed since you won't be able to prove your item is 100% authentic. My point is that this is just reason #3,478 as to why you shouldn't get into collecting gold carts.

If you really wanted to have some fun, contact a Chinese company and ask them the price for perfectly duplicating a gold cart. Send them some pictures. Tell them you need the box, stickers, and cartridge. Ask for 10,000 of them. See what they say.

 

What's your point with that answer of yours?

There are legit games, there are fake games. Collectors search for real deal. Adol's are legit, Tanoka81's are not. (http://cgi.ebay.es/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290550406801#ht_500wt_1156), and I think fake gold carts is a subject that can be interesting for some people of this forums.

I can say when a game is legit or not because I'm a collector and I've had in my hands legit and fake games.

Proving my Mega Drive Japanese Tetris legit is piece of cake, not by the fact that Alexei signed it and told in a conference that the Tetris story is real, but because you will not find a official release quality print of the insert, manual pages and sticker. You'll find none in nowhere.

And why the Tetris existed in the first place and is not a bootleg done by a chinese pirate? because in the Sega Ages for PS Sega itself published those scans and the rom of the game (the ones Tanoka81 is using to make fake repros), BUT the quality is far worse than the original I have. Impossible to make a print with high detail.

In gold carts, is something similar, but harder to find out by photo. Had you ever had an original gold cart and a fake? I did, and there are a substantial differences.

We can close this thread btw, noone seem interested in those fakes and I can live seeing people buying repros for 3000$

 

But why not explain those substantial differences that you say?

What are you seeing in the pictures that maybe we are not?

Despite all things, I think people are interested, but you're just saying they are fake and that's it, with no reasons why or anything.

 

Relax. No need for the "close the thread" drama.

I actually like getting into the details of the history of gaming. Check out the other Nintendo thread where someone was asking about the square button Famicom. I pretty much killed that thread by giving too much information.

The fact is that you've probably grown so suspicious of fake carts that any cart you see will automatically be labeled as a fake just to be safe. Isn't that why you started this thread in the first place? Some guy had some DBZ carts and you were suspicious. You have absolutely no evidence that they're fake but you're spreading the word that they are based on a single digital picture and nothing else. Dragging in an old thread from 3 years ago about different people and different carts is irrelevant. It does nothing to prove the validity of this specific Seller, who actually has a history of selling DBZ items, especially promos. He even wrote a friggen blog about it on a DBZ site with extra pictures which you said you found but obviously felt wasn't worth posting on this thread....? Seems like worthwhile evidence to me.

Juste actually asked you why you thought these specific carts were fakes, pointing out that you mentioned some differences in the silver sticker that you haven't elaborated on. And he explained how digital pictures can sometimes alter the look of a cart's color. And finally he said there's no way to guarantee that you know exactly how many were actually made/distributed. Your response? "I don't want to sound like a smartass but are you familiar with those gold carts and/or do you collect/have any? I do, and several times fakes has been found and proved as a fake." Again....no evidence about this specific Seller and you just ignore the relevant questions that you supposedly came here to find the answers to. You said, "I want to discuss here with other experts if they agree with me they are fake or not" but it looks like you're not up for much discussion.

If you have specific reasons why you think these specific carts from this specific Seller are not real, then please post them. Don't talk about Tetris or other carts as if proving fake carts exist actually proves these are fake. We already know fake carts exist. And don't respond with "I've seen fakes before yadda yadda yadda" when people are asking to you elaborate or simply explaining why pictures might look different. You're looking at the same picture they are, not holding the cart in your hand.

And finally, you have to live with the fact that some people might disagree with you.

 

Thanks for the relax thing, master zen, I can see some of your relax philosophy in your first post "Yeah, those are fake. Adol's are fake, too. So are all of the other pictures I've seen. Oh, the Tetris you have is a fake, too.", very helpful.

Subject is: "I want to discuss here with other experts if they agree with me they are fake or not."

I said I think they are fake, because the different "grainy" shape of the gold, the condition, also I've seen (to my eyes) 2 different silver stickers, in which one the hands of goku are much more close to the edge of the sticker (personal opinion), and others were those hans are more far from the edge, like a smaller goku or something.

The fact that I see a lot of those gold games lately, that he sold 2 complete, perfect (scratch free), with a grainy shape that makes me wonder and in only 2 months, make me suspicious. Not certain, but suspicious. And this threat was made for people to help me clarify this point and find more potential FAKES for people not to spend 3000$ in a FAKE.

 

I think looking at the pictures in this thread I can't see any differences.

Also, I think he said in the blog that in the photograph it is not visible, but the back has many minute scratches, and looking from different angle there is white (small abrasion) on corner? If correct, I think this shows how lighting can not only hilight scratches/wear, but also hide them.

 

As for the "grainy" shape of the gold. Check out these 6 gold Punch-Out!! carts that I've owned and photographed over the years:




If you've only seen pictures 2, 3, and 4, then you're going to say that pictures 1 and 5 look "grainy." If you've only seen pictures 1 and 5, then you're going to say that 2, 3, and 4 don't look grainy enough. The difference is the angle, not the actual cart. You're comparing two photos only and saying you're suspicious because they don't look identical.

Look at pictures 1 and 4. The coloring on the sticker looks different. The Punch-Out!! title looks like it's light orange over dark orange in picture #4, but it looks like it's orange over red in picture number 6. Why? Different camera settings and angle. I used the same background and lighting for both.

You can even see the difference a picture makes in the guy's own blog:



The first picture doesn't show any grainy surface at all, but the second one does, and it's the same cart.

And how do you even know the picture from Tengokugame.free.fr is the original? What makes you say that? Did they lift the picture from this guys website (http://beraboman.fc2web.com/hibaihin.htm) or was it the other way around?

As for the hands, I'd have to say that the one you're claiming to be real looks the most fake. It's the only one where the hand pointing to the left looks entirely black. You said that it looks bigger/longer. It does. It looks like the hand extends beyond the sticker itself. So let me ask you this....if you had seen pekinda9's picture on Tengokugame.free.fr, then seen Tengokugame.free.fr's picture in an auction, would be be saying the Tengokugame.free.fr picture is fake?

 

We agree that it seems to be 2 slightly different stickers, that makes sense. I think the beraboman is the right since this pic is old (8 years?), older than any repro I've seen, it seems to be a good reason to think is the legit one.

I'm looking in my hd for others DBZ stickers similars to the one of beraboman that I've seen in yahoo auctions in all those years, I remember to have saved some of those.