Negative User Rating: KIWIDOGGIE

Basically he sold me a banned xdk claiming that it was not banned. Obviously using his friends and other nicks in this forum he/they started defending him and claiming that my recovery disk (i.e. 11511) is the source of the problem and that it is flagged! So, I bought myself another XDK and using the same recovery I was able to reach PNET. I did notice when I got the kit which he sold me that it is not clean (some soldering was done to it! And other parts of the front panel were missing), and judging from the pictures I saw here it could be one of the xdks available through taobao....I did pay around 650 USD, it came w/o a sidecar...

I have more info and chat logs with him that will prove that he is a liar...Expect some users defending him in this thread...It is expected since he did not steal their $$$

BTW, he claims that he was doing the business on behalf of another person...!

This place is good, but please try to deal with reliable people and check their history, and pm others and ask many question before making the deal...! Also, make sure that to you don't send the $$$ as a gift...! I only blame myself for trusting a 16 years old kid!!!

More info is in this closed thread: http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28289

good luck all, and enjoy your stay in this awesome place, but make sure to deal with reliable people....

P.S. It took me sometime to post here, because I wanted to confirm their claims, and the only way was acquiring another non-banned xdk, which I did.

NOTE: I got some pms regarding the recovery and some people offered $$$ for it. First of all, thnx god I have money, and plenty of it! The recovery I got is from a trustworthy friend, so I am not going to sell the recovery! In fact, I don't own this thing. If he gave me the permission I am willing to release it to everyone to enjoy for free -I asked but he said NO-...so pls don't pm regarding the recovery. thnx and g luck!

 

Nonetheless he paid for a console that wasn't banned and that's what he should've got..

 

Thnx ShovelThumb, this is what I've been telling everyone from the beginning, but since not just one person was involved in this deal, they are willing to defend this scammer! Again, if there is interest in more info, I will provide paste-it.net links..

Again, there are many good/reliable people here, but KIWI and some of his close friends are not good/fair at all...

 

Basically the piont here is that he was sold something that he never paid for. Forget that the system is banned and forget that it belongs to Microsoft. The point here is thag the seller lied to make money. That is the point and that is NOT acceptable at all!

The seller should either refund or at least a discount.

People who lie to sell are fucking scum. End of story. Of course if the seller didnt lie and just not mention the ban then its the fault of the buyer for not asking.

Yakumo

 

I can assure you all that he explicitly stated that the KIT is not banned on several occasions. I have a proof of all the discussions with him. I got it with 9328.9 recovery, and it was banned. I contacted him, he said pnet was down and that the KIT is OK. So I acquired a new recovery because he said that I am on my own and that I have to resolve it myself although during the transaction he said he will get me a recovery. I took my time and got another kit so now I am sure that he was not saying the truth...

I hate to repeat myself, but to everyone who is reading this thread, I am happy to be part of this forum, and on daily basis, I visit the forum looking for rare stuff to buy, or reading and educating myself, so please do not judge the market place because of the actions of a single person...

thnx all,

 

Exactly what do you plan on using this kit for in the first place?

As much as it was the sellers wrong doing, and as much as he should probably discount at the least, you did buy it with full acknowledgment that this is a black market sale..
Anything you buy on the black market isn't guaranteed to be 100% legit, otherwise what's next, you brick it yourself and say that its his fault?

If you planned to use this kit for black hat use, maybe it's a good thing it was banned, again I don't know the circumstance, but their is no right side to this thus far..

 

Bricked Kits?! If he sold me a bricked kit claiming that it works, of course it is his fault! Read again this thread and the other closed thread please, we are talking about false advertising by the seller in order to complete the transaction...

thnx

 

I don't think that I can, I paid as a gift, he asked me to do it like that. I know it is stupid, but that is what happened...I thought he was trying to save the fees, and he gave me names of some people, so I thought he was honest and I agreed...I blame myself for that

I hope this incident will help some people to make better decisions in the future. My advice, if a seller asked you to pay as a gift, dont do it, and offer to cover the fees...

thnx

 

Thnx Assembler, I appreciate it a lot...

 

Haha, I find this hysterical.

The reason is, I do not scam or whatever you may claim. Most people that get kits through me have gotten what they paid for. All kits I have sold to people are unbanned, if they get banned later is their problems. I have sold Many items not just 360 shit. So you obtained a recovery later and it may have fixed your problem. So you have a MACS_TIMEOUT. If you have told me correctly. You go around making these false claims. The main 360 guys around here (Xenon.7 etc) have said moving a kit may set off these flags, changing a ISP could set off a flag to get banned. As I do with anyone who wants a kit I say this each time "At this time it is not banned, Microsoft reserves the right to ban at any time. But at this moment its not banned"

Its your fault if you can't use a 360 Development Kit for anything but leeching off PartnerNet. Big deal. I bought a kit knowing it was banned because I can actually do shit.

Yakumo, I know if it was my fault etc that it was banned I would offer a refund. But what he got was a working development kit which he paid for. He did not pay for "Access to PartnerNet" Which comes along with a developer kit but he paid for the Hardware not the Microsoft Networks. (It happens to be that the Hardware can access the networks) So he got what he wanted. Except that when he tried connecting to Pnet it banned him. A test was done right before the kit got shipped off and everything worked fine. It gets to him and its banned, Like I said its Microsoft's equipment and they reserve the right to do whatever they want with their hardware. The kit once again is Functional, and in complete working order. Its just Microsoft on their side, blacklisted the kit as a ban. There has been many threads posted on this site (Assembler) talking about the Brick/Ban wave. You got hit. Big deal. Learn to use a kit and you will actually see the good that can come out of it.

I'm fucking done typing

 

My 2 cents.

First kit I ever bought was from Kiwi. It was perfect, just as described. Then a very short time later, it was banned from PNet. Nothing anybody could do about it, it was nobody's fault. Luck of the draw.

Kiwi is reputable and I have complete confidence that he didn't sell it to you pre-banned. Now, I'm not saying that you did anything to get it banned, but think of it this way...if you had gotten it a day earlier, it probably would've been okay. Then the next day, you get banned. It's no one's fault...MS just decided to drop the hammer.

I sold my banned kit and took a $250 hit on it. It's the nature of this scene and you have got to learn to accept the risks.

 

Again, another of his friends is defending him! All I was asking for is a partial refund from this scammer. OK, Let me just prepare some paste-it links just to prove my points...

thnx all,

 

Atari, no one is calling you a liar. You don't have to go and paste all of your conversations with Kiwi into the thread. All I am saying is that it's truly impossible to know who is at fault when it comes to these items. If you are unhappy with the transaction and a compromise can not be made, then take recourse through PayPal or your bank in whatever way you can. There is nothing further to be gained by getting frustrated over a forum on the internet.

 

I really don't see why you're still carrying this on... In this scene what you're getting may not end up the same way it was sent, and big deal. If you actually had a use for the kit besides going on PNet, I really don't think you'd be making as big of a deal out of this...

Here's the bottom line. I agree with you that it's not exactly fair to you that as soon as you got your kit, it didn't come as described, but I know kiwi, and I know all about this kit - and he wouldn't risk his reputation selling something that's different than as he described. You should really stop making a big deal out of it and get over it, or become a legit developer and pay the thousands of dollars that a kit actually costs if it's really that big of a deal.

 

My 12 pence:

KIWI: Sorry, but this 360 was sold under the pretence that it was unbanned. If the console got insta-banned the moment it was plugged in (and you have no proof it was anything other than that before it went out), then it's your loss - maybe you should pay the man and get it back. Sorry, but those the breaks. He payed a big chunk-of-change, and saying 'Too bad, so sad' is harming your reputation for selling stuff, even if you've been perfect before.

Atari: Maybe you should really consider how much PNet is worth to you, especially in the current climate where there is a banwave still going on with systems shut down left,right and centre. Even the people here aren't 100% sure what the causes are (although, as you can see, they can guess), and so paying top dollar for machines that could go 'poof' within weeks of ownership may be a risk with any machine you buy. Consider saving your money until the world has calmed down (if it ever will, that is).

 

The thing is, If its insta-banned the second or banned in transit then thats HIS problem.

No refund will be givin. Thats the rules of the game, I have sold plenty of kits to people on/off assembler. If it was banned I would have mentioned so (As I did with another banned unit being sold by TheFallen93)

I'm sorry its been like this, but thats just the way the world works. If I buy a car saying that the engine can be blown at any time; I turn the key the first time and KABOOM. Thats my problem. He knew about the risks/bannings/brickings of pnet ahead of time. Thats his problem. I have sold other kits before and after his that are fine on pnet/the people don't use pnet because they are afraid of getting bricked.

 

He did not own the KIT, and did not know anything about. He was not the actual seller, he was doing it on behalf of some1 else...

http://pastebin.com/Tk7cHKew

 

thought I would add my 2 pennys

I bought a kit and got about 6 months out of it, then mine was efuse bricked - that means doorstop material so I would consider yourself lucky that you actually have something to resell. Also, you bought it at the time of the bannings/bricks - why on earth would you purchase a kit solely for pnet access at that time?? Asking for trouble if you ask me. I understand you're pissed off as you have lost some cash but KIWI has done nothing wrong and the more you complain the more people will turn against you...