New PC with framerate issues.

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  1. DefectX11

    DefectX11 Familiar Face

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    So I built a new PC. I'm pleased with it, but there is an issue that is quite annoying. First, my specs

    i5 3570
    GTX 680 :suspicion:
    16gb DDR3 1866Mhz

    So with that said I can basically eliminate the PC being the limiting factor. What is happening is that during games, I get frame rate jumps, typically between 30 and 60 approximately. It happens with any game that I've tried- Just Cause 2, GTA EFLC, Crysis 2...
    It's even worse in Dolphin. Whenever I run SSBB and I hit an enemy it drops to 6 fps.

    Is there a driver I might have missed that would cause this issue? I'm not 100 percent sure I got everything but I covered the basics for sure- DX9/10/11, VC++, device drivers...


    Recommendations are greatly appreciated.
     
  2. ASSEMbler

    ASSEMbler Administrator Staff Member

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    Is it an evga? They have shit quality this gen.

    Download dpc latency checker and look for bad devices.
     
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  3. DefectX11

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    Nah, Gigabyte windforce model. Paired up with a Gigabyte UD3H mobo
     
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    Do you have all the chipset and mobo drivers properly installed? Also, what OS you running?
     
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    I'm running 7 Ultimate and I installed all the drivers as per the discs provided. I'll double check on the chipset drivers
     
  6. MaxWar

    MaxWar <B>Site Supporter 2013</B>

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    Well, if you installed with the disc provided with the Mobo, you should be alright and have the chipset drivers. One way i double check if everything is properly installed is with the Device manager (looking for the exclamation marks.) This might cue you on something.
    I dont have any more ideas beside this. Hope you get it sorted.

    *This is somewhat unrelated but for some reason i dont like Gigabyte. Back in the early 2000s I had a Gigabyte mobo that gave me all sorts of weird problems and glitches. Ended up half the caps on it leaked before it was 2 years old. After that i got fed up with "budget hardware" and built all my rigs ( 3 since then ) with Asus parts ( Mobo + gpu) . All these systems always worked A1 so far.
    Not saying that Gigabyte cannot build quality hardware yet a buddy of mine got a gigabyte a couple years ago and also had weird issues with it. Ive heard people tell the exact opposite but anyhow thats my personal experience. At this point im not afraid to say i love ASUS and stays away from Gigabyte.
     
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  7. synrgy87

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    i have a gigabyte motherboard and its been quality its amd chipset tho, 890GX, anyway, thinking outside the box, maybe something is throttling, if you have any cool n quiet or whatever the intel equiv is, turn it off, also make sure they gfx drivers are not trying to auto adjust for performance

    then again it could be just crappy gfx drivers im not sure if theres any issues with the latest nvidia drivers as i dont have a nvidia card in any of my systems, also try and make sure windows itself isnt doing anything periodically in the background.

    6fps in dolphin would be worrying with that system
     
  8. ASSEMbler

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    I will assume he isn't an idiot and he has the chipset drivers installed.

    Lag can be caused by a few things.

    1. Bios settings, make sure you have it set to optimal and aren't messing with the odd amd chipset way of dealing with memory, hypertransport
    2. Hard drive or SSD

    HDD - sata settings
    SSD- Drive is not initialized properly for sector size , just google SSD cluster size

    3. Auto mode for GPU in bios is not setting itself properly for PCIE 3.0

    4. Amd cpu , amd has some patches for certain cpus Check their web site.

    Most critical with your chipset (I have the same one) PCI LATENCY setting in the bios.

    There's a major defect in AMD 8X chipsets and I still get unacceptable lag spikes.
     
  9. synrgy87

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    hes running and intel i5 cpu not an AMD one.

    but yeah another thing, is make sure your memory settings are set correctly in the bios as if on auto may default to lower than expected
     
  10. DefectX11

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    Never AMD. Never. Always heard of issues with AMD and never any reasonable benefits over intel other than cost.

    I will mention that I had to cut corners to fit in the case ($300) and so I am not running an SSD- currently it's only a 3TB HDD.
    I haven't touched a thing in my BIOS settings, so I suppose that can be ruled out. I`ll check it though just in case Gigabyte has some strange presets.

    I also have heard only good things about the new Gigabyte boards- the UD3H and UD5H being well recommended boards for any sort of build.
    My friend has almost the exact same build- same GFX, CPU, board and RAM, but he doesn't seem to have these issues. Then again he's much better at PC's than I am. This is what I get for using Mac for too long.
    --Why not have him over to help fix things? He lives 2 hours away by plane.

    Thanks ASSEMbler and everyone else. I will go boot into BIOS and try out these recommendations and post back with results.

    OK so I got some info from the BIOS. At first looks it seems like it's maybe out dated or there's a newer one.

    Memory speed was auto set to 1600Mhz, rather than my RAM speed of 1866MHz. Attempted to fix but it didn't want to boot, although I did fiddle with other options like CPU clock, probably bad setting in there.

    I didn't see an option for PCI latency. In fact there was nearly no options under the PCI section of the BIOS. IIRC there was 2 options, both being practically useless, but the option "preview" said there would be options for connected devices in slots and slot configurations. Hmmm.

    So as it is it would seem there's an issue with my BIOS. I'll go check around for a newer revision.
     
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  11. ASSEMbler

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    Put in the newest bios and then set the ratios all manually.

    Turn off amd quiet and cool , as it throttles the cpu and can cause lag.
     
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    Done and done. BIOS is at the current revision, as per expectation (bought it brand new, new stock from Gigabyte)

    As for ratios what do you recommend? Like I said I've gotten rusty on what each one of those settings does exactly, so I don't want to mess something over entirely.

    I think it may be fraps- I've got it and the games installed on one HDD, and because both programs require elevated write speeds that could be causing the lag. However, I'm not recording a video all the time.
     
  13. synrgy87

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    hitting control + F1 in the bios may show/hide some extra advanced options if you haven't done so already, check online for your ram's specific make and model settings and set them in the bios manually, im also running a UD3H, its a good solid board.

    on fraps you will probably get some slowdowns when recording but i've not used any recent versions myself
     
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    Check your video settings. Make sure your video card is set to performance and not power saving... just a thought.
     
  16. LeGIt

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    A friend of mine forced supersampling plus a comedy amount of MSAA for his transparent textures and then he wondered why his PC ran like shit.

    The card will probably run all of the above on high/ultra @ 1080p60 with driver optimisations for high quality, but don't start thinking the driver optimisations won't have an impact.

    The obvious thing to do is don't assume that just because you have a GTX 680, you can run anything at any resolution with a comedy amount of overlapping options enabled. You really are just setting things to high quality where possible and leaving the rest on application controlled and once you are within said applicaiton, be sensible about it.
     
  17. DefectX11

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    Actually I figured out what was causing a huge impact on performance- I had the Nvidia control panel applying graphical enhancements to the games set to max. So basically I was doing 2 times the work for each game.
    I turned it all off, I still have frame drops, but it's not as much. Don't get me wrong, it still jumps between 30 and 60, but it's not as often.
    Dolphin still has an issue with attacking other characters. I'm going to OC my processor because there is a chance that it could be bottlenecking my GPU.

    I did notice a drop in quality, especially in EFLC. Oh well.
     
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