Nintendo 3195b? 3197a? D411? D411a? D413a?

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  1. ASSEMbler

    ASSEMbler Administrator Staff Member

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    I started going through a huge box of new sleeved ICs and
    found these nintendo ICS.
     
  2. link83

    link83 Enthusiastic Member

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    You probably already know this, but those are all CIC security chips used in NES and SNES games/consoles.

    Do you mind if I ask where they came from? Or do you have any pictures? Just curious to see if they are labelled any differently to normal CIC's.

    I dont suppose you have any N64 CIC chips? (CIC-NUS-X10X)
     
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    ASSEMbler Administrator Staff Member

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    I know the kind, but not the region they belong to.

    D411a , it's a suffix that I am not sure of. D411 sure, but "a"?
     
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    I got a D411A on my Breath of Fire II JAP cart
     
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    l_oliveira Officer at Arms

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    CICs for:

    NES: 3195a (NES-NTSC)
    3197a (NES-PAL)


    SNES: D411a (NTSC)
    D413a (PAL)



    The SNES chips are supposed to be inside the console if they're TSOP (Not really TSOP but similar to) and supposed to be used on cartridges if they're DIP.

    In the case of the SNES, DIP can be used only on cartridges but the SMD chips can be used on both (Star Fox and other FX games use the SMD D411) :thumbsup:
     
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    ASSEMbler Administrator Staff Member

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    so the "b" chips would be the counterpart to the lockouts?
     
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    In the case of these chips, D411/D411a/D411b are DIP cic chips. Surface mount chips are F411/F411a/F411b

    The SNES console has a F411, and is the only chip that is meant to be the lock. All the rest of them can function as Keys.

    The a/b suffix, indicates revision. Those without a suffix, are revision 0, then it counts up, from a, b, and so on. b is the highest revision seen, for any of these chips.
     
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  8. link83

    link83 Enthusiastic Member

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    Perhaps this chart I made might help:-
    (N.B. Why dont code tags work?!)

    The 'A' or 'B' at the end just means the chip was revised/improved, Nintendo uses this naming convention for a lot of their chips.

    SNES chips beginning with 'D' are in a DIP configuration, whereas 'F' chips are surface mount.

    For the NES and SNES the CIC chips can be either the lock or key by making one pin on the chip high or low.

    ....I have not heard of the 3195B before though, is there any chance of some pictures of the chips ASSEMbler? (I dont suppose they come on a reel with any model/stock codes?)

    Sorry l_oliveira, but the 3195A is for the 'PAL-B' region. The game boxes are often labelled 'EUROPEAN VERSION', and were sold in most European countries.

    The 3197A is for the 'PAL-A' region. The game boxes are often labelled 'MATTEL' or 'NES VERSION', and were sold in the UK, Italy and Australia.
     
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    mooseblaster Bleep. Site Supporter 2012, 2014

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    Huh. Always wondered why my European copy of Yoshi's Cookie wouldn't work in an unmodded NES. Thanks :)
     
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