Nova teacher murdered

may I join your sameness as well? at least, we're not alone:lol:

 

Yes you may :nod:

Yakumo

 

Is this the one in the UK recently? "skunk killer'...etc? It is worth pointing out that the kid was schizophrenic and had been hallucinating for some time. Of course weed wasn't a good idea - but who is to say alcohol or any other stimulant wouldn't also have triggered this violent episode?.

It irked me that the story was presented as "kid smokes weed and butchers his buddies." the truth is that he was already very, very unstable. Media scapegoating as usual...

btw/ weed is a stimulant and of course it can make people do strange things (like eat....and eat..) but i think the actual phrase is more along the lines of "no-one has died from smoking it..."

 

More accurately, "it is nigh on impossible to overdose on THC". That doesn't make it safe to ingest large amounts of it, obviously.

At the risk of devolving into yet another delightful shitstorm re: drugs are great/drugs are evil, I think we can all agree that anyone crazy enough to murder their friends was fucked up in many ways regardless of weed intake. If someone gets tanked up on booze and kills their mates then society agrees that this was a bad person, and anyone trying to convince me the same isn't true of cannabis is fighting a particularly losing battle.

They'd also be free to explain to me why they (presumably) think the opposite is true for violent games, ie that games don't cause murders.

Answers here if there are any, let's keep to the rules.

 

There you go... wasn't weed. They were already tormenting him. I never said it would STOP someone from murdering someone.

Indeed, sir. Indeed.

 

Hmm the mayor of Nagasaki was shot?

 

Yes. I saw the breaking news on TV last night when he was brought to the hospital and just read now that he died from the shots. Apparently it was a member of the Yakuza who shot him.

[Article on Japantimes.com]

Pretty shocking since I work for the Hiroshima Peace Culture Foundation and though I did not meet him in person, I had read about him as he was pretty active in the area of nuclear disarmament and often appeared together with the mayor of Hiroshima. It is always different if you have some kind of personal connection...


A lot of bad things happen these days.

 

Ooops! I should have mentioned I was only joking as the comment was being sort of directed at Barc0de as we had discussed this topic at length off the threads. We couldn't think of a single incident that could be absolutely, unquestionably linked to the use of weed, but then the sensationalist (and that I do agree with) press statements were released regarding these UK murders and I thought I would treat Barc0deio to the news - so, that was the thread equivalent of thinking out loud lol

As a rule of thumb, I tend to post and forget I have so sorry for having taken SO long to get back to that, inadvertantly throwing the thread immediately OT and back about a week! For everyone else, just leap frog over this shit and get going again lol ;-)

 

Gotcha

 

Well, actually you're wrong. Marijuana (as well as Alcohol) is a depressant.

 

Crack is also an acceptable substitute for Meth in that line.

 

If that's the logic behind it, alcohol would be the first stepping stone then, no?

But, we all know this is simply not the norm. Plenty of people try weed and decide it's not for them. More are likely to try hallucinogens (E, acid, shrooms) and stop there. Some will try coke. Almost none will go to Heroin.

Hybridization has made marijuana more potent recently (90's and up) compared to the 70's. Last 5 years? No big jumps... not enough to make it "dangerous" anyway. Any way you slice it, it is still THC though...you just have to smoke less. If you want to really screw up weed, lace it with PCP or some other bullshit. For some reason, some people do.

I would like to know why alcohol makes people billigerant (I know, I suck at spelling) and agressive while weed makes you passive, as you are right: they are both depressants.

Both shitty, but can't be categorized the same. They fuck you up in completely different ways.

 

GP the word you are trying to spell is perhaps Belligerent, but I don´t know anyway.

 

You've said before that someone close to you has followed a similar path, so I choose my words with care here, but the above just doesn't follow in the vast majority of cases. Millions of people in the UK smoke weed every week and don't bother with anything harder. Millions pop Es or have a few lines of coke on the weekend but would never touch meth or heroin. There is a difference, and while I'm sorry that in your experience x followed y followed z, that chain of reaction is rare. If it was a given in every case, there'd be tens of millions of junkies here by now, and there aren't.

 

No, we were trying to think of a case where murder could be attributed as the root (jeezo, me and my puns today) cause of the murder rather than a side issue, which is generally enough for most newspapers in the UK to blurt out headlines like "Weed Killer (oh lordy more puns) stoned deaths!" or similar nonsense.

I realise that drugs can and do kill the person who takes them, or peddles them, but has anyone seen a genuine case where weed was directly attributed as the cause of a murder?

<Not sure whether I am making myself clear here - Barc0deiodeiodeio was much more elequant when he described it>

On a lighter note (stop with the puns!) Air is probably the worst drug as withdrawl symptoms are pretty immediate and fatal in all instances. ;-)

 

ASSEMbler, in Holland people smoke weed relatively freely, and you don't see their population becoming hard-drug addicted - they re just normal people who know their limits. A dutch friend of mine, his father is an elementary-school teacher, and when he comes home every night, he smokes a spliff and goes to bed. He's a family man and has no intention of being a junkie. Saying that weed taints people is like claiming that anyone who tried alcohol became an alcoholic or other drug-abuser.

The reason that weed 'leads' to 'other drugs' is because it's illegal. Alcohol led to 'other drugs' during the prohibition as well.

Categorizing cannabis with cocaine as a class-A drug is an irresponsible thing to do , because it makes people take harder drugs like heroine and cocaine lightly, just as they would with weed, that is non-toxic.

On a funny note, caffeine, alcohol and tobacco are toxic to the body, yet they re entirely legal. Addiction to alcohol , tobacco and caffeine is never refferred to as 'drug abuse' though

It's all politics and how they want to present something. Cannabis is not a gate-way drug, they made it a gate-way drug with their stance and dangerous laws.

 

Weed in itself might not be a gateway drug but I think there are two major contributing factors that lead it to becoming one.

The first is the fact that since it is illegal its distribution tends to run in the same circles as other far worse drugs. This puts people in contact with harder drugs.

The second is the governments own anti-drug campaign. They demonize marijuana with such outrageously untrue propaganda (I'm sure many here have laughed at the commercials) that once people realize that it is BS they figure the the government is doing the same with other drugs.

 

I find myself agreeing with A.Snow every single time on different matters:lol:

 

Yeah, he makes a good point. I don't know why I chose to go above and beyond weed. Probably boredom more than anything. It certainly wasn't like "okay, I tried weed... what's next?!". I never had a problem with anything. I knew my limits, and went over them regularly, but not to the point where I ever missed work or did something really stupid (blow rent, not have enough food to eat, etc.).

Those are days long gone though. It is definitely hard to do any of that with a career. And looking back on it all, out of all the friends I know that tried anything illegal, only one really fucked his life up (which you could see coming before he partied) and one guy checked himself into rehab, and got sorted out in a couple of months.