PAL Saturn - Is this slowdown normal for a modded console?

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    So I had my Saturn modded a while ago and ever since day one I've had issues with it. I don't know if these issues are normal or not so I'm not to say right now that there's a problem with it, but that's what I'm trying to find out because if there is a problem with it I want to try and find out what the problem is and if I can fix it. Pretty much the most obvious problem is that I'm noticing slowdown in places where the console Probably shouldn't be getting it. Most notably is Panzer Dragoon Saga, I posted a thread about which I'll link below where you can see videos of the slowdown in question. I'm experiencing it with not only the final game but also the prototype as well in the exact same locations. What could cause this? Can a bad dump cause ingame slowdown? Or perhaps bad media? I would consider them to be the least likely answers but I don't really know. What about a PAL console? Does a PAL console usually have problems playing NTSC games? The console was modded with a mod chip, the switchless hz mod with LED and a multi bios so that's the only thing I can think, but according to a person in the thread the slowdown isn't normal so something has to be causing it. :/

    http://www.assemblergames.com/forum...someone-test-slowdown-in-PDS-on-Saturn-for-me
     
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    60hz NTSC games slowing down when forced to run in 50hz mode? I'm sure you'll find slowdown.
     
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    This is an NTSC game running on a PAL machine in 60hz mode.

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    Thanks. So is this only typical on PAL machines or is this the same as NTSC machines as well? I guess to rephrase that question, are both PAL machines and NTSC machines the same despite which hz setting they're set to? I'm wondering if a PAL machine is not the best machine to play NTSC games on, and/or vice versa. My guess would be that they're the same although I couldn't be certain. You say Nights is crappy in 60hz, can you go into a little more detail of the PAL disc PAL machine - NTSC disc NTSC machine comparison? Are there actual differences? I'm wondering whether I should have modded my NTSC machine instead of the PAL one.
     
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    But this is only relevant before modding, right? Once you switch it to 60hz it runs the same as an NTSC machine because suddenly its no longer capped at 50fps? Does connecting that jumper make the two region consoles run virtually the same? I was just a bit surprised to experience more slowdown in 60hz than 50hz because usually switching to 60hz is associated with being the superior setting, I'm surprised to find that PAL users actually got a better deal in a lot of cases despite boarders and slower game speed.
     
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    You were saying that PAL machines are capped at 50fps, what I was asking was if that cap is only relevant untill you mod the machine, which is upped to 60fps once you switch it to 60hz. I just didn't expect more slowdown in 60hz because I never considered how the frame rate pushes the hardware. I'm not bothered about something which is natural for the system, as long as the Saturn is working correctly that's all that matters. Thanks for the help.
     
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    The extend of difference depends if NTSC and PAL saturns have the same cpu speed.

    Weren't consoles like NES, SNES, and Megadrive given a slight clock rate change for PAL?
     
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