PAL SNES won't output AV (RF Only?)

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  1. GlitchyGhost

    GlitchyGhost Active Member

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    I have a PAL SNES and PVM20 monitor. I ordered the specific PAL RGB SNES cable and BNC to SCART female adapter cable (fitted with a sync stripper and kill switch) - this would allow the PAL SNES to run.

    I connected it all, and got a black screen. I connected my NTSC SNES to check, and it worked well. So I know my connections and cables are fine.

    When I (and my PAL SNES) lived in the UK, it was only ever connected up via RF (lame I know, but hey it worked)
    I wasn't able to test the multi AV output before moving to the US. Damn. Do they break? It looks all good inside.

    I am now convinced the SNES has an issue with its AV output. I cannot find any thread or mention of them breaking, being fixed or taken apart or even buying a replacement, I am guessing because the problem may well be something else?

    but I'm really gutted, especially after paying a lot of money and seeking advice from the cable manufacturer prior to buying.

    I took the console a part and fully checked and cleaned everything (alcohol, Qtips, air spray etc) but it's still the same.

    I would be happy to mod say an s video output, replacing the RF box, but I know that PALs have issues with sync so not sure how or what I would do to get it all up and running.
     
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    Have you tried composite? PAL SNES technically outputs s video, but I believe it's difficult to find ideal pre-made cables.
     
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    Do you mean composite (snes multi AV end) or composite (RGB/Component inputs on the PVM)?
    or do you mean using composite in another respect?

    the snes is hooked up using retro gamer cables PAL RGB MULTI AV and the BNC SCART adapter - I was told by the guy they would work, so currently it is using or at least trying to use the snes composite AV out.

    I saw a YouTube mod, guy attached an s-video connector to his snes in place of the RF box, and connected straight to the TVs S-Video input.
    I have sourced the connector from console5 but have yet to find the appropriate cable - any suggestions from people as to where to obtain cables and wires I need? Also could do with confirmation that the S-Video would carry sync ? Or whether in fact I would need to make an S-video to SCART cable for the connection from snes to BNC SCART adapter (as a way to use the built in sync stripper?) - again further advice gratefully received.
     
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    Are you using a cable that uses composite sync? If so, the PAL SNES actually has 12V where the composite sync pin is on the multiout, and hence you need to use composite video for sync.
     
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    The cables are from retro gaming and Rob said they are the cables that will work for PAL. I've just been told that replacing the power adapter with a multi one (eBay $6) will be the solution- it wasn't getting enough power from the UK pack.

    fingers crossed it's not in fact the actual multi AV connector that's failed, which I will presume if after testing with the new power adapter, and it's still a black screen.

    Should it be the case;
    can anyone shed any light on modding my pal snes with an S-video plug, soldering it to the two svideo points on the snes multi AV board? Would this provide the sync? Or do I make an s-video to scart lead and connected this into the BNC SCART female adapter, where the sync stripper provides sync.
     
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    Ordinary composite video, the very thing people buy a PVM to avoid. Just to see if it functions.

    s-video uses a different sync pin. It's combined with other data.
    You wouldn't any adapter to either SCART or BNC. This monitor has a standard plug for Y/C in.
     
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    Cool, thanks for explaining that - so much to learn ;) The PAL RGB Cable I received from retro gaming obviously has a scart plug on it, not composite - the only other cable I have is NTSC version, so unable to test this out.

    thanks for the info on s-video, also.
     
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    I only have an NTSC multi AV cable with S-video on it. So still no way of testing that. It doesn't work with PAL systems.
     
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