Yeah saw 15 mins of this while having tea. As usual the focus is 'its purely the game's fault' rather than poor parenting, and the fact the person in question has a tendency towards addiction, be it games, gambling, drinking etc. When I was a kid my pocket money didn't stretch to buying games more than one-two a year, then when I was 13 I was working all weekend in a pub kitchen so even though I had the money I didn't have more than a couple of hours play time on weekends. Allowing your kid to play games games 20 hours a day at weekends=poor parenting. Giving them money to buy these games without making them work for it=poor parenting. IMO.
True, although some of the people in the documentary were a lot older. Still, not old enough to be exempt from a good kick up the arse. Spoof Panorama trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16Y2DdDLhkQ
From my early ages I played video games but my mum sure made rules about it. We earned £3 a week each doing the chores (for the whole week) that me and my brother would save upto to buy new games and even then she limited how long we could play
I liked the way my parents handheld videos games when I was a kid and I plan on doing the same for my two children. If our grades were doing well in school we could play games on school nights after we finished our homework (meaning not getting any D or F in any courses or under a 2.0 depending on the grading scale you use). If it was sunny outside and the weather was nice, we weren't allowed to be inside playing video games OR watching TV. Now once the sun set and it was night time, we could play all we want. This was good for my brother and I during summers, because it got us out of the house, we both had jobs and we both did a lot of sports which helped keep our health up. Now granted that was all in elementary and middle school. High School my parents let me have a little more freedom as long as I did well in school, etc. Once I was 15 my parents never bought me any video games except for my birthday. I had to get a job and pay for it myself. Parenting is a huge part of it in my opinion. I had a room mate my junior year in college, he was a freshman, he got into WOW and ended up flunking out of college, which is just one of the many reasons I avoid WOW and MMORPGS in general, that and I don't believe in having to pay a monthly fee for a game I have already bought. I even talked to his Mother and Father about it, because along with not going to class, he also stopped caring about his personal hygiene and would stack his trash in a corner and they didn't care, they said he was old enough to make his own decision. Yeah it was college and I get that, but you don't go to college to play games, you go to college to get an education in a field. I just got the feeling that his parents never really ever told this guy "no". I ended up basically living in my girl-friends room that entire year because he was so disgusting . . . Anyways it worked well for me. Just my two cents. -Disjaukifa
100% agree. It wasn't like this in my day. Like you say, you had to save forever to get games. I think I had about 15 games for my SNES and I treasured every one of them. As time goes on, everything gets cheaper. And by that, I mean devalued. Including life itself.
Kids these days definitely have more gadgets and games than any of us ever did. As you say Taucias, you had to work to get what little money you could to eventually be able to buy a game or a system. It wasn't handed to you. You didn't even have the ability to have some huge game collection. And definitely playing outside was something kids did back then. They're just super spoiled these days. Even with good parenting I'm sure they have it better than we did. Anytime the media picks up something on video games like this you can pretty much stick it back up their ass. Cause ofcourse these days news isn't about facts, it's about money, grabbing attention, sensationalizing everything. It's just garbage.
It all starts somewhere though, and an educated guess is they weren't brought up with the values of hard work. Didn't watch all of it so don't know what age range you are refering to though. There was that 20 something kid who played 20 hours a day. Parents paying for WOW, internet, computer etc I guess as he didn't have a job. Obviously not paying board either, how could a parent let them leech of them like that? I left home as soon as I finished college, but if I hadn't I'd get a job, if I refused i'd be turfed out. Probably have to pay board if I stayed as well. Yep, up until 13 I only had about 10 full games in total. I tended to buy a pc games mag and play the hell out of the demo discs. That one episode shareware of Jazz Jackrabbit? Got a good 6 months playtime out of that! Thing is, I'm not even that old, only 22. My family weren't particularly hard off either. It just seems spoiling kids is the norm these days, there must be more social/commercial pressure on parents. Which isn't healthy in the long term. Watching things like this it makes me glad and proud I was brought up in a old school Yorkshire way, will be passing it on to my kids.
I understand exactly what you mean there :lol: Im 15 and was brought up on respect and discipline. To this day If I want anything I still have to bust my ass doing chores and jobs or I wait until a birthday/christmas
They do that because the tax payers pay for that BBC (British Broadcasting Channel . . . I think) since no one outside of the UK pays British tax, that is why you can't view it . . . -Disjaukifa
I'm a bit older than you guys. I don't think I ever saw a used game for sale until I was almost done w/ the hobby (for a time). I believe it's any household w/ a television... tax-payers or not. Be sure to listen to your Republican friends. When you elect a socialist bastard like Obama into the Presidency, the King of England can come to your house and wave a gun around in your face.
Heh. Yeah, basically any household with a television that has a tuner has to pay the licence fee. My set is a PVM which doesn't have a tuner, so I'm waiting for that argument when the licence blokes come calling. Not sure how the BBC's iplayer affects all that, to be honest. The trend is that parents at all levels of earning have more disposable income. This leads to kids having more cool shit, certainly more than we did. I don't think that's a bad thing per se, the important thing is to ensure that kids are brought up well either way.
Really was that needed? I mean come on. Republicans around here scare the piss out of me but that is not the topic at hand. Anyways, parenting seems to be the bigger issue. Parents are not helping the situation by paying for the systems, games, internet connection, etc. I know once I started working and had to pay for my own rent, etc, there was no way I was going to pay for a month charge to play a MMORPG, it wasn't worth my money. This all has been said before though. I understand that view point and I agree with it. I know I don't let me son watch tv all day, he definitely watches more sense its winter time and much colder out but my wife and I still try playing with him in doors and away from electronics for most of the day. -Disjaukifa
I once meet a guy whose brother was addicted to lettuce He would chock on that shit, eat almost 20 pounds a day Its called obsessive-compulsive disorder, and can happen with anything, from a door-knob to chasing birds through the middle of the fucking street People with this problem need help, not their families blaming someone else
Agree a degree, similar to a point I raised on another forum about this program. Addiction is a factor that affects all humans, those classed as having OCD (I very much consider this a classification of scale, imo) in that all people may develop addiction. Some are predisposed (biologically, psychologically ie. past experiences) to it, eg. those that have 'OCD', and some are less prone, ie the rest of us. Basically some have conscious/subconscious control, the (OCD) others for whatever reason don't have either conscious or subconscious control and become addicted. The subject of addiction isn't important, merely a prop to support it. Be in gambling, sex, drugs etc. Nothing like being brought up in a separate country to understand the true value of thrift-worthiness and being independent ;-) . West Yorkshire is obviously the best though, Halifax/Huddersfield ftw :thumbsup: :flamethrower: Like I alluded to though my parents did have disposable income (during the late 90's early 00's if that gives some perspective), and I didn't get such treats, despite my grandparents who were brought up on being less well off generally, my parents still upheld their thrift-worthiness and the ever important virtues of work, rather than being gifted upon as seems contemporary with families. I was brought up in the 'old tradition', which is better in forming an attitude towards the real world: which, as ever: (imo universally static) you don't get a free lunch. It appears such previously essential tenants are being eroded, to the detriment of the UK population, and presumablly elsewhere - that being in my thought predominantly the US, though obviously also other well-off countries too. In the UK It isn't even just happening in families as economically comfortable as mine, but in every level of income, as such treats become more and more affordable to families. I assume this is a detriment stemming from globalisation. As long as kids are being rewarded for putting the effort in, be it through their education or physical labour, then the reward is moot, but parents these days just seem to give without receiving, thus kids in turn think they are automatically owed something. Just as the dole is seen as a right rather than privilege these days? . Perhaps it is easier to gift than to trade, for those parents with enough? (which is lets face it, in the UK generally most of the populous imo. After all shop smart and you can easily feed yourself for a tenner a week, as I know).
For clarification it is any property that holds devices capable of receiving broadcasts in the UK, be it BBC or commercial (those that broadcast adverts). Such as TVs, computers or mobile phones. Though it is debatable in terms of those latter devices though it isn't often the garden person would 'win' in those cases. Personally I'm happy to pay the license fee - it is an opposing force to commercial TV and thus encourages innovation, even if Greg Dyke and his subsequents were to eroded this. Watch ITV programming vs BBC 4 and you will see what I mean. Is the UK unique in this (part) publicly funded broadcasting? Are TV broadcasts in every other country commercial (bar state/government broadcasts, I imagine there are a few - still interested in knowing those though)?
