please help, crap HD quality on my new TV

Hi guys and happy easter. As some of you saw I made a topic in the last 2 days about getting a HDTV.

Well last night I got one at walmart its a Sanyo 30" wide screen and walmart said it can only do 720p but the manual says 1080i so I tested my 360 and it works great lol

So I got a 1080i TV for like 450 dollars lol

Anyway my 480p image from my xbox looks awsome, but my 360 has VERY visable scan lines when I hook it up. Im using MS HD cables so what is the problem.

Its like I can see the refresh lines that go up and down and left to right and they move quickly.

This is especially bad on Oblivion at night and during the opening where it shows the logos. The blackish colors make the lines very visable and its annoying the fuck outta me.

Why is it doing this? It does it on 480p, 720p, and 1080i to???

Are my cables bad or is it just my console in need of a Live update? I only tryed burnout revenge on xbox but it looked GREAT at 480p and my XBMC looks sweet at 1080 even though it gets a little cut off?

Is the xbox having trouble because its a wide screen TV?

Should I get new cables or take back the TV for exchange?

Please help, I dont know what to do...

Thanks~


EDIT: Just wanted to say that its a CRT so it should not have a native res correct? Also I just tryed Halo 2 and it looks quite good. If you stare at something black though you can see faint lines that go from the top left corner of the screen down into the bottem right corner.

But its really bad on 360 1080i. Its like lines of rain always coming from top to bottem on the screen and its quite visable. This really bothers me because my old TV that only did 480i with componet looked better (because of no scan lines)

 

I'm guessing you've probably checked these but I'll ask anyways. Is the switch on the component cables set to HDTV? Also, Did you make sure to set the 360 itself to the setting you want the the system blade?

 

Probably not what you want to hear, but I saw a CRT HDTV the other week tucked away in an electrical store in the corner, and it looked as bad as you have described. It was a Samsung something-or-other, and the screen actually looked more grainy than my 6 year old Panasonic CRT TV.

 

It sounds more like a power problem - electronics do weird things at low voltages.

1. With your new CRT TV, it probably draws quite a bit of power - you said the lines are worse with the 360 plugged in. Welll, the 360 draws a lot of power (compared to the original xbox) and the voltage on the entire branch circuit will sag, causing problems for the TV.

2. Another possibility is RF noise, from an unshielded cable. But since you're using the MS cables, it's probably not the problem.

Do you run a lot of electronics off one outlet using a power strip? Try moving the TV and 360 to different power outlets, see if it gets any better. If its possible, plug them into different rooms. The point here is to see if you can get the two running on different circuits inside your house.

 

I prefer 720p over 1080i, but that's just me.

 

Are you sure your TV isn't scaling the video?

 

Are you talking about strange distortions like when your TV antenna isn't adjusted very well and you see a strange ghosting bands and such? I noticed such a thing when I used component cables but the problem has basically gone away when I switched over to using VGA. If you TV has VGA input you should try it. Also I didn't notice the problem as much when I used 480p. It was much more obvious with 720p and 1080i from component.

 

Thanks for the tips guys. Sorry it took me so long to get back here. My PC is dead and its easter so I have been busy.

Anyway I exchanged the TV for a new one and it still does the same damn thing.

The TV is plugged directly into its own wall outlet so I dont think its power.


The lines are weird. They change when you change the res. For example on 480p the lines you can see run down from a top corner to a bottem corner kinda like a candy cane.

On 1080 the lines are verticle mostly and run up and down quickly at a fast pace. On a dark screen you can see it easily and it looks like rain is falling in the background of the image -_-

I have no idea whats going on with it.

I get some kinda lines no matter what res I run. I hooked it up with composite cables and it looked MUCH better. I could see very faint lines but nothing that would bother me if I wasent looking.

Any other ideas and thanks again for the help!

 

I tryed xbox with componet and even on 480p playing Black I could see the damn lines.

Its done this on both of the TVs (same model) so I dont know what to do.

On HD you arnt supposed to see them are you? I mean if you are playing Oblivion in 1080i and look up at the night sky can you see verticle scan lines running across the screen really fast? I do and it sucks.

Does Besy Buy have any HDTV's for less then 500 or around there?

Thanks!

 

Sorry to double post, just wanted to say I have now tested the TV with:

360

PS2

Xbox

And on all of them I get lines. Granted the higher the resolution the worse it gets but they are present on all systems.

I am thus forced to conclude that Sanyo HD TVs are shit and that I will need a better brand or something. Im open to options that are are around 500 dollars. I would prefer to buy from a store and not online.


Thanks!

 

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The words good, HDTV and $500 don't mix If you want something propper you'll have to almost double that budget and go for a brand name tv. I reccomend Samsung myself having great experiences with it.

 

orthodoxically talking, progressive signals and CRTs don't mix well. The scanline-based fashion of image presentation on CRTs is inheritely going to have flicker etc.

for example, if you watch a console on progressive scan on a CRT, turn ur head at almost 90 degrees from the screen, and with the corner of your eye observe the set. You will see flicker hell

 

Well I did some digging and appently its a common problem with these sets due to cheap componets and theres no way to fix it.

I dont really have more money then 500 to spend on one right now. I know a repair man who has offered me some cheap Flat Panels so I will check on what he has.

Should I just get like a 32 -40" SDTV? I do alot of retro gaming and other then 480p the only thing that uses higher is my 360?

Thanks for the help guys. I will let you all know what the repair dude has and you can tell me what you think. :thumbsup:

 

To be honest, you can get a very nice computer monitor with component inputs and VGA/DVi etc, that also support vertical positioning for all those cool shooters such as Ikaruga. That's what I'd do if I had 500$.

Check out Dell's site, they ve got the monitors i m speaking of. The good ones support pivot rotation on the neck for vertical/horizontal positions, 16/9 as well as at least 720p (maybe 1080p in bigger models, haven't checked)

for example, this set http://accessories.euro.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=uk&l=en&s=pad&cs=RC1050265&sku=59234 supports a max resolution of 1920x1200 (pretty close to 1920x1080 )

 

For $500 you can get a decent used projector with plenty of life still in it, and you can have as big a picture as you want. I found one on ebay for $250 that's 1500 lumens, and handles VGA up to 1024x768. Should work fine with the 360 vga adaptor.

 

the contrast levels of a projector are a main concern when you don't have a specially created room for it :\

 

I think the bottom line is that if you want a good TV you have to pay. I wouldn't even consider a Samsung to be honest unless I was on a tight budget. Panasonic, Sharp, Pioneer and if you must, Sony TVs are the ones to go for if you are really after some quality goods. The problem is that they cost a lot

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