Prototype "Duke" - Alamo

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  1. APE

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    Aside from a post each from Pikkon and Old Engineer on X-S confirming this thing is at least real I can't find any information on it.

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    You'll note the pricetag. :thumbsup:

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    The jewel is absolutely gorgeous, its iridescent more than anything. Much more interesting to look at than what we got for a retail Duke. Shame it doesn't translate well into a photo.

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    It's next to impossible to see but the dome portion of the thumbsticks is transparent like the "smokey" controllers of the Dreamcast. You can see in this picture a portion of the thumbstick innards. In person the plastic is more transparent.

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    The money shot!

    As I said, there is next to nothing that I can find about this controller on Google. It has a slightly different case from retail Dukes IMO though I haven't looked too closely yet.

    It also won't accept retail break-away cables as the connector board inside the end of the cable doesn't have the sides shaved down, its just a flat pieces of equal height the entire width of the silicon. The boot at the end of the cable where the break-away would connect is longer, thicker and has different markings (the number 1 on one side and FL on the opposite side) than retail as well as what looks like texturization on the boot to aid in holding it.

    Finally, the cable and the boot at the end are of a lighter green color than the retail Duke. I kinda like it myself. Anyone know anything about this? I found it at a thrift store nearby and am tempted to go back to check out any other XBox related merchandise they might have in case its dev or prototype elated.
     
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    Nice find.
    I found that controller really comfy- preferred it over the S.
     
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    I used the original controllers for awhile while everyone I knew used the S, finally caved and switched tho
     
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    Internals:

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    Can clearly see the smoke aspect of the thumbstick and the manufacturer of the board as well as another mention of "ALAMO".

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    This is the spot where the ABXY black/white buttons have their contact pads. I peeled it back a bit (maybe a mistake) and found the pads underneath. The membrane that was under said buttons lacks the little black pieces (whatever they are) that are on the rest of the membranes. Either this disables the buttons from functioning or maybe it does the work of the black dots. Anyone?

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    Underside. You can clearly see the standard 5 wires for XBox controllers (red, white, green and black for USB spec and yellow) along with an extra grey wire that I'm unfamiliar with being inside XBox peripherals.

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    Detail of one of the chips.

    Datasheet:
    http://www.datasheetcatalog.com/datasheets_pdf/M/3/0/2/M30240ECFP.shtml

    16-BIT CMOS "microcomputer".

    No idea how any of this compares to a retail Duke.
     
  7. ASSEMbler

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    I also have one of those, found it at a gamestop.
     
  8. APE

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    Good to know more than one actually exists. Any idea on the time frame of these in reference to the Dakotas and the finalized Dukes?

    The plastic shells both had a datestamp of 1/01.
     
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    ddxcb Gota J.T.A.G. That Xbone Yo.

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    o i miss the old xbox 1 controllers
     
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    I fucking LOVE the old huge xbox controllers they were so much more accurate imho than the type s
     
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    Word brother. I've been stockpiling them as I find them and have 5-6 on top of this Alamo. Just gotta confirm a preliminary wiring diagram I have and modify a break-away cable then maybe I can see if this thing still works.

    Hoping that black tape doesn't interfere with anything and is supposed to be there.
     
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    The black "tape" is a membrane to keep sweat and cheetos dust out.

    It'll work just fine.
     
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    same i got huge hands so they fit nice and snug... this is why i <3 my crystal dev.
     
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    I could be completely wrong, but I always assumed the 'black tape' was conductive to allow the A/B/X/Y/Black/White buttons to be pressure sensitive? :confused:

    Very few Xbox games utilized pressure sensitivity, which is why the feature was removed from the Xbox 360 controller.
     
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    Thank you for sharing the pictures of the inside of the Alamo.

    I own SN:0015**

    Its new, unused with the clear pastic film over the badge and the original green cable tie untouch, binding the cable.

    I would not dare open it to see inside.

    My one came wrapped in an 8 inch by 6 inch bubble wrap pouch.
    Any chance this may have been the original packaging.

    PS if you look at the badge notice that it does not have a locating notch which you see on the Dakota
     
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