PS2 - HD advance dvd+cd

Hey guys/girls,

What would a hd advance 2.0 cd and dvd only go for these days?

 

probably not much because you can get the .elf of it freely and opl.

 

Aye, it used to be sought after as it was a way to install FreeMCBoot/openps2loader but seeing as there are a few different methods that no longer require a disc it's no longer in demand.

 

^^ all depends?
i have those disks myself and i NEVER had to open the console to install FMCB! (007 hack of some kind)
the disks get used if i'm modding machines and don't have access to:
1, an ide enclosure/compatible computer.
2, the internet, so i can do the FHDB thing.
some hdd's WON'T work in some computers/enclosures, THAT is academic! (it's known some HW fails in some devices but not others)
the disks still have their place, and will be referred to again as and when required! :smile-new:
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@ the op.
the disks hold relevance to a certain audience, but as stated above, not really needed IF some conditions are met/bypassed.
that said, still worth keeping all the same, may not get much, then again, what do i know?!
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if the user wanting to do an FMCB card DIDN'T want to disassemble their ps2 (me being one of them, and look into the nightfire hack for that doozy) and had no hdd enclosure, compatible hw/access to the web for an FHDB dump...OR trusted mail order for a prepared FMCB card, those disks will be damn useful in the end!
like i said, still got mine, and the methods of hacks wasn't available at the time i REALLY could have done with them, i got hdadavnce for the sole purpose of FMCB installation so i didn't have to take apart my console, and FHDB certainly wasn't around at the time...NO REGRETS!
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i paid thirty GBP for my pair, a good few years ago, money well spent. (depreciation may apply here, depending on the crowd targeted? ignore the naysayers, you still have a VITAL gateway tool to installing FMCB to those who really don't trust shipping for a prepared FMCB mc/pay the sellers asking price when the hack is FREE, or want to strip the upper-housing off their chunkies. ps2 wafers possibly could do the nightfire hack easier because user has direct access to the optical array/trap switch? another story)

 

How would one install FMCB/FHDB via HDAdvance, if the console isn't modded? And if the console was already modded, the user could have just burned a copy of uLaunchELF, which is free.

 

^^ for real? seriously?
it's a retail disk, or rather, retail PRESSED!
i did a guide here on it and it got shit on (too old/irrelevant ) it's in the 'hack and mods' area! :somebody-put-a-bullet-between-my-eyes:
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could work with 'usbadvance'? just not tried it...

 

Well, I don't know everything on this planet. =_=
I didn't know that HDAdvance has a HDLDump server built into it, since HDLoader didn't have one. So I assumed that you meant that the user has to burn a uLaunchELF disc image onto a disc, for HDAdvance to install. Hence my question.

But as with what unknown-organization wrote in your thread, I share the same view as him: it's possible to get FHDB onto the HDD unit with an IDE enclosure and nothing else.

If you don't mind, could you explain why you say that "some hdd's WON'T work in some computers/enclosures, THAT is academic"?

It's a known fact that some HDDs won't work with the PlayStation 2 console, but that's probably because they didn't intend anyone to use non-Sony disks with it. However, all IDE disks out there follow the ATA standards. If they don't, then they aren't fit for use with most computers out there. So it's probably very unlikely to find a disk that won't work with a well-made USB enclosure.

Depending on where you are on, it might be easier (and cheaper too) to get a USB enclosure, compared to a HDAdvance disk.

 

You can install a ulaunch elf disc on a ide hdd(from a pc), start the pressed disc up, and load the hdd game.
then you can move on.(i did this myself, when fmbc came out)

most of the western digitals hdd's dont work, because the power and ide cable slot, have a bit more space between them, thats why the network adapter dont fit on those hdd's(as a example)

 

@ sp193.
^^ given you're a developer, i figured you knew all there is to know on ps2 cracks. so, by that, you know virtually more than i possibly could!
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i've had/GOT hdd's that don't work in some computers/ps2's, not the only one!
sure there's google on those problems?
can't speak for ATA standards (not my area) but there's a few that clearly dodge it, not many, but a few!
optical disk writers are a CLASSIC example.
some hdd's WON'T work on the same flyer as writers in computers, regardless of jumper settings, same if mixed with other hdd's.
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and FYI, the two ide hdd's that exist in my ps2's DON'T work on ANY of my enclosures or computer, both are old.
(jCS javelin 1ghz AMD mono-core and vivanco ide enclosure. the hdd's are a 60g seagate and a 160g maxtor, thanks god hdadvance was able to format them)
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corrected for direction.

 

I am a developer: I create software and probably know about how some exploits work... but I don't have to use them. I heard that HDAdvance was a hacked clone of HDLoader, so I wasn't interested in it.

If they fail to comply to the industry standards and the disks end up not working on some PCs (which should be quite a lot actually, since a LOT of them use the same controllers), then which machines were those disks meant for?

No, I've not ever heard of such problems. If you use Google to search for known IDE compatibility issues, you'll get... nothing of interest.

Even if that happens, that's still different: it's a compatibility problem between the two IDE devices, instead of a compatibility problem between the drive and the IDE host.

I've used IDE disks from various ages, and never heard of such a thing. The oldest one that I have is a 130MB Seagate ST3144A, while the largest one that I've used across various platforms was a 200GB Hitachi Deskstar disk (regrettably, I don't remember its model number since it was thrown out after it developed a lot of bad sectors). Over the years, I've been also using various 40GB and 80GB disks from various brands, with different systems.

Seagate is quite a reputable brand, which is why I don't believe that there's such a compatibility issue. I'm quite sure that they should work when connected directly to your computer's physical IDE port (without any adaptors). At least, the BIOS should be able to detect them.

My disk within my SCPH-39006 is a 80GB Seagate ST380211A (which was pulled from my dead Pentium III PC in 2010), which should be approximately as old as your 60GB disk.

I'm not saying that it's not possible for some disks to not be compatible with some enclosures and/or PCs. I'm saying that while it can happen, it's most likely not a problem with the disk... but with the host instead. And it seems to be something that can be remedied with a BIOS update from the manufacturer.

He's saying that there are some disks out there that are incompatible with standard PCs and USB enclosures. Compatibility with the PlayStation 2 is a different topic.

 

^^ apologies, i should've said that the drives tried was on a single flyer, NOTHING attached, bios didn't recognise the hardware, so what you believe clearly doesn't alter reality, not for my machines/hdd's!
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thanks anyway! :|

 

Of course it wouldn't alter reality. =_=
But could you please treat my posts with respect, at least? I know that you aren't really agreeing with my points. But you don't have to treat me like a fool, as if I should have known better than bringing up points that challenge your statements. After all, you don't seem to know for sure why your own disks aren't working with your own PC, even though they should be.

My point for this thread was that, you're probably the only one here who has encountered such a severe case of hardware incompatibility (or your hardware/setup just has a problem). This makes the HDAdvance method that you brought up not the cheapest one out there because connecting the IDE disk to the PC would have worked for most other people. Therefore, the HDAdvance discs probably aren't worth too much anymore.

If there's really such a known problem with some IDE disks (especially disks from Maxtor and Seagate), then it should be widely discussed across the Internet. At least, if you do know that there is such a known issue with some disks that I am not aware of, could you at least please share about it so that we can all learn from you? At least, mention the model of disks that you have (as well as the jumper modes that you've tried), along with the mainboard model of your PC.

Although this is a little off topic from the thread's original context, it could help, since it would support the idea that there is a sizable group of users out there who cannot use their IDE disks with their PCs, for whatever reason. Which in such cases, the HDAdvance discs would be quite useful.

PS: And I do hope that you did try using a different IDE cable too. They get torn very easily, and you know the complications involved when it is torn. If you've been leaving the jumper at either SLAVE or CS, I hope that you've tried setting it to MASTER.

 

^^ nobody said you are, i didn't! (and you're NOT) and i do respect your work, please don't misunderstand my retorts as something else just because we don't see eye-to-eye on this ONE thing!
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anyway, it's just the two hdd's, i can't see why me kicking up 'why this no work?' would help at other forums, it's just two hdd's (out of five ide's) i have!
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gonna have to get back to you on the motherboard id's, can supply one hdd id (maxtor) but the seagate got it's labels removed (not by me) there's one id, but web searches lead me to a few areas with mixed results. :?
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^^ tried all possible jumper settings using one hdd on a single flyer at a time, bios says NO! (ps2 seems to be okay with em) and tried various flyers, even bought new ones for the cause, FAIL! (same results)
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i've seen threads elsewhere from a known xbox dev and he mentioned something about 'ALI chips are utter cheap shit and prone to problems'.(more to that)
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i'm seriously not signing up to other forums just to put out a 'feedback/bug' report, what can they do for my situation, and others in it?
relz a bios flash? (i KNOW i wouldn't be touching it)
if this somehow helps others, so be it, i've accepted it a while ago, all i need is some reasonable priced ide hdd's and i'm set!
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if you know of a ps2 drive geometry checker/sysinfo app, PLEASE tell me it's name, it would help and i should be able to give you better info on the seagate thing i have? (gonna have to wait on the motherboard id's, that's my xbox hdd prep tool and only gets dug out when xbox hdd's need the biz, works fine for 'xbhdm' purposes aside the two hdd's mentioned above, no bios feedback, no dice)
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typo...
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the computer used in general (now) is a HP dcm5800 with ZERO ide sockets/reliable legacy support, and i've got converters that seem to fail there too.. (usb enclosure would've been the ideal solution, but...above says it best, and it'll be a while i buy any more when i've got around it most of the time, the two hdd's non-withstanding)

 

It's possible. Which was why I never said that it's impossible for there to be bad enclosures. I only wrote that it's difficult for there to be disks that are incompatible with some PCs.

From your manufacturer. It could be a problem with the BIOS itself, which is why the disk cannot be detected when connected directly via IDE.

You could try using HDDChecker: http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showthread.php?47346-PlayStation-2-HDD-Checker-(HDCK)
It will display the model, serial number and firmware version of the attached disk.

I'm now confused: when you wrote that the disks are not compatible with your computer, did you really connect it to an IDE port on your computer's mainboard? Or did you use an IDE to SATA adaptor? If you did that, then that wasn't even a fair test for concluding that some disks wouldn't work in some computers because the compatibility issue was between the disk and the adaptor instead.

I cannot find any information on your computer either. Are you sure that "dcm5800" is its model?

 

nvm, i'm done with this. (no, the hewlett packard dcm5800 is my primary computer, the very forum/archive tool, i should've omitted/not mentioned, it has nothing to do with the JCS javelin, which the hdd's DON'T work on)
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appreciate the link, those are apps for a computer, i'm looking for an elf/dol script for the ps2 itself, thanks anyway.

 

If the page that you've linked to shows the family that your PC is from, then it's not a DCM5800 as you say it is. It's just DC5800. And that is not even the model (which should be one of those listed on the page) of your computer, but just the family that it belongs to.

HDDChecker is for the PlayStation 2. What makes you think that it's for the PC?

 

^^ my mistake, links were crapping out (bad gateway/timeout) so at face value, disregarded!
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the link i gave you does have a 'family' of machines, one of those id's will match it, not getting up to climb a shelf, pull itower off for the OEM sticker digits. (got it given from a cash-converters employee, they got shut of all their intel crap and went ppc/amd)
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did a web search and found something, probably what you intended to give me? (it's an elf script)
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the tower is THIS:

^^ that's is the same machine i'm typing rubbish on now, bar some HW id's i just really can't be fucked to dig out!
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i'll get back to you shortly on the ST pos after this elf works it's magic, thanks for directions all the same! :smile-new:
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spun up that tool, not at all clear but it's more than i was able to give first time...

^^ that's literally a transcript of what my eyes see on screen! (still, i doubt ANY of that was helpful at all, sure not enough info from where i'm sitting...)
no geometry, lba, etc...

 

Fair enough.

Yes, indeed. But I still don't know why you couldn't have just gotten the download via the link that I provided. :/
Yes, it's not a direct link, but it's only 3 links away. And along the way, you would have also learned what HDDChecker was made for. Anyway, at least you found it.

And an ELF is not a script. It's a binary file that contains code for the computer (In this case, the PlayStation 2) to run directly.

That's... all the information that anyone would usually need. Geometry data is obsolete for LBA disks. "LBA" stands for Logical Block Addressing. On some labels, it refers to the highest LBA address, which is just the capacity of the disk, minus one sector.
The rest of the technical information can be obtained from the white paper for the drive, obtained from the manufacturer.

Your disk is a Seagate ST360020A. Coincidentally, my TOOL unit has ST340810A disks (which are from the same family as yours, although smaller)... which seem to not like my IDE to SATA adaptor much (sometimes, nothing would get detected). =_=

The adaptor that I have is a HXSP-106, which has a Sunplus SPIF223A controller. I remember that it totally didn't work with the MicroChip M810D mainboard that I once picked up. So yes, it's probably also because my adaptor is crap. :/
Some people here have connected these disks to their PCs for dumping, and nobody has ever complained about them being incompatible with their IDE channels.

Thanks for clearing up on what you were using. At least now it makes a little more sense as to why you're having problems with those disks.

 

okay!
the links on the thread you created here (the one you placed taking me to another assembler thread THEN to geocities and psxscene) the two external sites gave me the finger, timedout.
THAT's why i couldn't just 'use the ones you gave' had to google the info, it was the app name i needed, had to dig a little (a few results were NOT what was intended) but got it in the end...
thanks again, it's safe to say, this was a TOTAL waste of time, for both of us, NOTHING was achieved, no nearer to a solution...but at least info is there for anybody who wants brancancer!
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i'm very sorry to have put you out, won't do it again, apologies! (real productive of me)
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decided to take a sledge hammer to that seagate then whizzed it out the window, caused enough headache...

 

No they didn't. A timeout is a timeout, not a finger. =_=
If I put things in the way you do, then PSX-scene gives me the finger everyday eh? I keep getting things like error 504 while on my phone, due to the nearly-nonexistent reception that I get while I am in camp.

The Geocities page has a link to the program, which is hosted on Mediafire. So I assume that you have problems with Mediafire then? If so, then I'll leave things as they are.

No, at least we now know why you wrote that "some HDDs don't work in some computers". It's not that some of them really are incompatible with certain computers, but some of them are incompatible with certain adaptors. This discussion will serve as an explanation of your statement, to prevent it from misleading others. Since you didn't actually connect the disk to the computer directly and wasn't clear on it.

As for this thread, it means that virtually nobody will need HDAdvance discs to install FMCB/FHDB. If a cheap USB enclosure doesn't help, then connecting the disk directly to an old PC would do the job.

Why not do that to your adaptor instead? That's the problem, not the disk. I'm kidding. Just use whatever that works for you. As long as you understand what the actual problem is.

Your PC has SATA ports anyway, so you should have been using newer disks that can give far better performance without all these problems.