Would anyone be able to specify if the below mentioned systems are as closely related as I believe they are? We all consider the NES and the Famicom to be "the same system", although they cannot directly play the same games - the hardware is very similar, and a simple connector-adaptor in this case all it takes to be able to play Famicom games on a NES. In the below cases, would you think that the mentioned systems "are the same" - and why/why not? Saba/Fairchild SG-1000/SMS Famicom Disk/NES Oddyssey2/Videopac Please also specify which of the below systems are discrete logic and which are education-stuff-only - if any of you know that is. 1292 Series Action Max APF MP-1000 Bandai TV-Jack 5000 Bandai TV-Jack 8000 Captain Power Casio Loopy Entex Adventurevision Epoch CassetteVision Epoch Super CassetteVision Gakken TV Boy Hanimex 7900 Memorex VIS Odyssey PC-50X Series RCA Studio Socrates Educational VS Tomy Pyu-Ta (Totor) Jr. ViewMaster InteracctiveVision Vtech Creativision WebTV
A few questions Sorry, can't hlep you. Don't know anyting about that stuff. But I do have a few questions: 1) What kind of games can you get off of Web TV? I assume you download them, can you save them to disk or burn them on a CD? 2) Is the bandai TV jack 5000 a unique system or a clone of something else? Any pages with system spces on it?
well the 1292 machines use ROM cartridges and afaik dont have a majority of educational games... in fact I've never seen an edu game for them.
The Odyssey 2 and Videopac are exactly the same technically. The only reason some games may not be interchangable is due to PAL/NTSC problems As far as the Master System goes, there's also the Japanse SC-3000 which is a compter version with a keyboard. I think it takes cards instead of the carts.
A NES is virtually a Famicom, but the famicom disk is a famicom add-on, so its not the same. Vtech mostly make crappy educational toys.
I am well aware that this unit: was an add-on for the Famicom (as pictured), but wasn't there also a Nintendo system released called something simmilar, but being a system of its own only using disks?[
-Saba/Fairchild I don't know much about the Saba system, but I believe it's just the Japanese rebadge of the Fairchild Channel F and that they're fully inter-compatible. -SG-1000/SMS These should be considered separate systems. The Mark III is the Japanese system that's the same as the Master System (there was also a "Master System" released in Japan that looks mostly like the Master System we got, but has some additional hardware built in). The SG-1000 was Sega's previous generation console, it has a similar architecture to the Master System, but is much less powerful largely because of the older graphics chip. The SMS/Mark III is backwards compatible with the SG-1000, but Mark III games certainly can't be played on an SG-1000. The SC-3000 Mr-Monday mentioned is exactly the same as the SG-1000, but has a keyboard built-in and maybe has a little extra memory available. There was also an SG-1000 Mark II that was simply a redesigned SG-1000. -Famicom Disk/NES However you're considering things like the PC Engine CD or Nintendo 64DD, the Famicom Disk System goes in that category. -Oddyssey2/Videopac Like Mr-Monday said, the Videopac G7000 is just the European version of the Odyssey^2, hardware is identical anbd I think the games are even inter-compatible. There was also a second Videopac system released in limited numbers that was a separate system, it was the same as the Odyssey^3 prototypes from the US. -Action Max This a VHS tape based thing. You play a video tape in your VCR and plug this system inbetween the VCR and TV and then shoot things on the screen with the light gun. Interactivity is virtually nil aside from the "shot" that appears onscreen when you pull the trigger. -Bandai TV-Jack 5000 -Bandai TV-Jack 8000 I don't know for sure about these two, I don't *THINK* that they're discrete logic, but it's possible that they are logic chips on cartridge despite the fact that both systems were advertised as "programmable" (it wouldn't be thje only case of that kind of mis-advertising). The other systems in the TV-Jack line were logic, but these ones seem different from what I've seen on Japanese sites. I also don't think that they're clones of any other systems, though the 8000 looks a lot like the Intellivision and Bandai did distribute the Intelly later...so... -Captain Power Pretty similar to the ActionMax above except that you used the Captain Power action figure to shoot things in the Saturday morning cartoon and the cartoon actually shot back sometimes. -Casio Loopy The Loopy does seem to hove mostly educational or non-game software. A couple of the cartridges are the type of graphical adventure games that are so popular in Japan (like those seen on the PC-FX and Playdia). -Memorex VIS This is just a 386 PC in a CDI like shelf component like case. I think every game released specifically for it was educational, but some older PC games happen to work on it, so it does have games in a sense. -Odyssey -PC-50X Series These are both discrete logic. The original Odyssey played different games by having the user insert a card that selected different jumpers to enable different built-in games. The PC-50x series are pong-on-a-chip stuff like most later pong machines, but each chip comes on a separate cartridge that plugs into a base unit that has the controllers and everything else. -Socrates Educational VS We talked about the Socrates before and it sounded like it was mostly educational stuff. We also decided that since it wasn't at all marketed as a video game console, it probably didn't make sense to consider it one after the fact. -Tomy Pyu-Ta (Totor) Jr. This is the model with no keyboard or anything right? I don't really know what kind of stuff was released for the Tomy Tutor? I think there's real games, though. -ViewMaster InteracctiveVision Another VHS tape based system, this one was a little more interactive than the ActionMax, but everything released for it was educational. -WebTV We talked about this one on the old board, too. I certainly never though of it as a video game console, but I don't know much about it. 1292 Series APF MP-1000 Entex Adventurevision Epoch CassetteVision Epoch Super CassetteVision Gakken TV Boy Hanimex 7900 RCA Studio 2 Vtech Creativision All those are real video game systems. ...word is bondage...
Concerning the TV Jacks, I just found this interesting site: http://darkwatcher.psxfanatics.com/console/supervision.htm According to that, the 8000 is a real consol (and not an Intelly clone), but the 5000 uses discrete logic pong-on-a-chip cartridges. They also have good info on other systems mentioned in this thread. ...word is bondage...
you should have just emailed me and I could have help you out. there was no US released Famicom disk system...after the pirating of disk games ran rampant in Japan, there was no way that Nintendo was going to bring it stateside. The SMS and the Sega Mark III are both master systems, with the Mark III having backwards compatibility to the SG-1000...sort of a bridge between the two systems. Mr monday is also correct in that the SC-3000 was a computer that could play all SG-1000 games and the SG-1000 could play all SC-3000 games...very cool machine. Now for the list... 1292 Series the 1292 series are definitely consoles and have ROMs for their games so no worries here. Action Max this pile is an interesting subject because, unlike the Viewmaster CassetteVision, there is no programming on the cassette tape...merely on the "box" itself...sort of like having two screens run one on top of the other, one being the picture you see, the other being the image the gun sees. APF MP-1000 definitely a console, and a very nifty one at that...ahead of it's time personally. Bandai TV-Jack 5000 this is a pong on a chip system, in other words, a discrete logic system... Bandai TV-Jack 8000 also called the Supervision 8000, this is the only TV jack system that used programmable (ie ROM) cartridges, unlike all previous members of the series of systems Captain Power this is more of a toy, just like the action max, but it does have programming to it...it's really tough to call it a console though. More of a way to inereact with a tv show...very cool though and a must for any die hard collecter...IE me (I have both the good guy and bad guy guns/ships) Casio Loopy definitely a console, and in no way educational, unless trying to get a boy to like you, shopping for a pet, or dressing up a cartoon girl are educational...I might add that this console had a very odd feature to appeal to its audience, girls (no boy would be caugth dead with one of these). It could print out stickers that were either sprites from the game, screenshots or, with a special adaptor, could be a screenshot from an A/V input. Graphics a SNES reminiscent...very weird power adaptor, took me a month to find a place that had an adaptor that didn't cost over 100 dollars (15 dollars Canadian actually :smt040 ) Entex Adventurevision console and pretty much one of the wholly grails...only 12,000 produced, half that are presumed to still be functioning. Think Vectrex with dotty red graphics...because the system did so poorly, only 4 games were made, all ROM though, making this THE console to find, with boxed systems selling for in excess of a grand... Epoch CassetteVision neat console that had the controllers built in. A junior version was also released that had actual controllers. Definite Console Epoch Super CassetteVision Great system, honestly better than most that failed at the hands of the NES. Cool console and for you rarity hunters, had a Lady Edition released in pink with an exclusive game, and, in the end, I've heard they were even packaged with make-up kits. Console all the way. Gakken TV Boy This little punk has been driving my collection crazy, thrice i've come close to filling that void in my collection, and thrice it went awry...A console though, with a phone like controller, also called the compact vision Hanimex 7900 Only system by hanimex that isn't a clone, but I must say they stole a lot, and by a lot i mean ALL, of the Cassette Visions unique games and programmed them for this weeker console...Definitely a console, but about a cheap as they came, only something like 53 Francs when it was released. Memorex VIS console all the way...same idea to it as the CD-i systems but with a prettier O/S...which was the first microsoft Windows CE operating systems might I add (think Dreamcast). Tons of educational software for it but it was still a gaming machine that could also play VCDs with the right adaptor, no different than a CD-i. Odyssey discrete logic all the way, but still the god-father of home video games, definitely deserve a spot in any collector's collection PC-50X Series until recently I though it was a console, but it turns out this is just a pong on a chip system...instead of puttin the processor in the console, they put it on a cartridge. Many many variations, but if you have one of them, you have them all. RCA Studio second console ever released and the ONLY solely black and white console. (actually there was color in the games, but they were rushed to ship the system and didn't implement the color; the Visicom, a clone, does do the color though). console all the way, though you have to really like your gaming partner to play it since it's controls are attached. Socrates Educational VS it's in the title, educational all the way...but still cool, and the graphics are suprising for an educational system (although the PICO is the epitome of all educational system graphics). Tomy Pyu-Ta (Tutor) Jr. the Tomy Pyu-Ta is actually a computer but tomy, just as commodore did with it's 64 GS, gutted the computer functions and sold the Pyu-Ta as a console...console all the way. Hard to find too. ViewMaster InteracctiveVision this is an educational console, although very much educational, I still like to list it as a console...may need to revise my list, eh? Vtech Creativision console all the way...very cool in that you can expand it into a low budget computer. WebTV this is tough...the Web TV is not video game related AT ALL, the WebTV PLUS however allowed for the users to use java applets on the internet, hence, internet games. This would not count as console, but I've also heard that the system could take in cards that would have games on them...Not terribly positive...I have a webtv plus, but no service and no cards means no test...for now, I'd just leave it as a web-browser and ignore it. Lastly if your looking for a list of all related systems I could get you one, would take some time, but doable.
I would definataly like to se that - and as I mentioned in my last email (that that never godt answered I am also VERY interrested in logos for all of these great platforms - pretty much all of these that are missing their logos: http://www.uk.playright.dk/titeloversigt.php Moderne konsoller = Modern consoles Klassiske konsoller = Classic consoled Andre konsoller = Other consoles HÃ¥ndholdte konsoller = Handheld consoles Computere = Computers Andet = Other
The Master System and even the Game Gear still are compatible with SG-1000 software (they just don't have the right color palete, but the games works). F-16 Fighter for the SMS is a SG-1000 game who uses the SMS palete. PD
