Saturn image file - no sound

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  1. Mr. Saturn

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    Hi

    i got my hands on another unreleased Saturn game, but have some problems with it.

    If you open the files in Explorer, it shows 42 files with 2,44MB total.
    If you go in the CD details it says 163MB, why the difference?

    If you play the CD in an audio CD player there are 8 tracks (maybe CDDA tracks) which are not visible in the Explorer filelist.
    When you start the game in an emulator (SSF, Yabause, etc.), the game starts, but with no sound.

    Any ideas why there is no sound, why the CD tracks are not visible and why there is this difference between the file sizes and the size of the whole CD? Or is it a problem with making an image file from the original CD, not copying the (maybe unvisible) audio files too?
     
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    CDDA is tracks, not "files" in the conventional sense. Different data structure. They can't be browsed in Explorer and certain types of image file don't include them.
     
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    So how can i copy the original CD to a format, that everything is included and is still playable in an emulator (with sound)?
     
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    Try a different disc image type. .ISO if you were using it, won't work. That variety doesn't support multiple tracks.

    To be sure... Compare total size of the original disc with your copy. CD music takes massive amounts of space.
     
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    I tried it with .bin/.cue already and the .bin file has 187MB compared to the 163MB what the explorer says...
    But you still only see 42 files with 2,44MB in the filelist when loading the .bin
     
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    Hmm. I don't know then. What happens using a Saturn? Emulators could have bugs with the game.
     
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    Can tell this tomorrow, first i have to buy a CD-R as i only have DVD-R´s left - and today is bank holiday here so i have to wait for tomorrow to test the image in my Saturn...
     
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    I can not mount the .cue in my Virtual Drive.
    I made an image (BIN/CUE) of the original CD with Ashampoo Burning Studio, no RAW-Mode options available.

    I think the problem is the emulator, guessing the game will run with sound on a real Saturn...but this test has to wait until tomorrow.
     
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    Tried to burn the image today on a CD-R, game plays well on my Saturn, but with no sound either.
    I will now try to create the image from the original CD with CDRWIN in RAW mode, let´s see what happens then...
     
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    OK, i made a RAW-Image (.xmd/.xmf) with CDRWIN and now there is sound, crazy.
    Is there a way now to create an image (BIN/CUE) without losing the sound again, that emulators can play it?
     
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    Tried it and get the following error:

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    When i say "Ignore" errors, then he makes the BIN/CUE, but loading this into the virtual drive leads to no sound again in the emulator...
     
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    OK, i think i got it.
    When i mount the .cue file (with another Virtual Drive Software, as my VirtualCloneDrive software can´t load .cue files), there´s finally sound ingame...
     
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    Just read the first sentence from my first post in this thread:wink-new:
     
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