So i was thinking.....

What the hell is the point of everyone here with an Xedk and all the beta's and production versions of games that no one is willing to share? Granted there are a few here that do give stuff out and you know who you are, but this is to everyone who just brags about/hides all the games they have but they won't share them, whats the point? so you can be cool all by yourself with your special beta?
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Isn't the point of a community like this to share things and not be a greedy little bitch who just wants money for stuff you really shouldn't have anyway? Especially with the release of xbr and alot more people can experience betas and shit ( Like forza 2 Prod )I'm sure some of you trade with each other for other games, but some of us dont have the ability to get our hands on pre-release shit and I'm sure there are a lot of people who feel the same way about this. I'm not saying open the flood gates and release everything but c'mon are you guys really that selfish or does not sharing make ur e-penis bigger?

I'm sure I will get flamed for this by all the people on here who are keeping them on lock down, but the fact that almost ever other system forum on here has people releasing betas and other shit it seems like the only section where nobody releases shit.

Flame away.

*Note: No animals were harmed during the making of this post*

 

Your just like a bum on the street begging for money

 

bums have internet?

 

First response from one of "those" people gratz on being #1. Now lets get some real feedback not some horseshit that got edited.

 

No they don't I was implying it as a metaphor towards his attitude

Also, OP you know some people payed hundreds of dollars for their betas, why should they share, what gives you the right to own it? If you think information should be public thats ok, but its the real world. Besides think of resale value of an alpha game that no one in the world has except that one person (out of a studio) it goes up by alot compared to a beta that is on the internet.

 

I think he's referring more to betas/alphas etc that amongst the "cool crowd" who have it but wont share. Not specifically a beta that only one person owns, only speculating, devils advocate.

 

Beta's that are on the internet? Where? My whole post is about BETA's that aren't on the internet. I'm not talking about alpha's they probably look like shit and honestly probably get played what once or twice a month by someone that even has them. My post is about beta's which are usually closer to production but still have debug options to fuck around with shit. Next pls.

 

So when they are worth nothing.. Whats the point of collecting them?

 

There are two big reasons collectors don't often dump current games.

1) Legality. Dump a game and share it and you're commiting piracy/copyright infringement. For old systems it's not likely to get noticed. For current systems...well, let's just say that I'm honestly suprised that |||sondow||| hasn't yet gotten a nastygram from Microsoft's lawyers regarding his very public dump of Forza 2.

2) Value. Lots of collectors pay a lot of money for their discs. Many are willing to sell them on, but none want to publically dump and share because that will kill the value of their investment. Publically dump a beta and the value of the disc takes a nosedive.

Combine #1 and #2 and you have a pretty concrete reason why you don't see many public dumps of current generation games. This is true for PS3, Wii and Xbox 360.

The fact that people are willing to share information shouldn't be taken as bragging but rather simply for what it is...the sharing of information. I don't know about you, but I would much rather someone detail an unreleased beta that he or she happens upon so we can all learn about it rather than simply having it stay unknown.

Also, keep in mind that this is *NOT* a piracy site, but a development site. ASSEMbler does *NOT* exist so people can get "FREE GAMEZ!" It is here primarily as a discussion forum for people interested in development. Information is the number one thing that is shared here.

Yes, ocassionally old betas get dumped, but that is the exception rather than the rule. If you just want "releases" then check out other sites.

-hl718

 

Next you'll be saying that you should be able to drive any members car when they aren't using it or even shag their girlfriend or wife just because they have it and they should share it...

Conversely I do know a journalist who used to sell all the promos and bets he got over the years, made quite a tidy sum from it despite him spending nothing...

 

1.Value. A dump shouldn't take away value from a true collector disc since a dump is a copy not the actual disc so that point kinda means nothing to what I am trying to get across. Collector value would be placed on a legit disc not a dump or a copy.

2. Legality. If you guys cared about legality you wouldn't talk about what beta's you have, and seriously there are plenty of ways to anonymously upload shit, so that is another invalid point and obviously you don't want to brag about shit you "do" release hence the anonymous upload part...

 

1) Lots of people *say* this but the market has proven otherwise. As soon as you publically dump *any* game the original plummets in value usually loosing as least half, if not more. And none of the people claiming that a cart/disc doesn't loose value once dumped are ever willing to purchase the original disc at its pre-dump price. You may not want a dump to degrade the value of the original, but it does.

2) There is nothing inherently illegal about talking about an item that one purchases.

-hl718

 

No, you'll also get flamed by people not holding onto any dev material.

"Look at all those people holding onto their hamburgers in that fucking McDonalds, what gives them the right to enjoy something they bought for themselves to eat? You know what, I am going to sit staring at them and demanding free food because I can't be arsed to buy it for myself..."

This site does not advocate or condone piracy. It's meant to be a site dedicated to the development of hardware and software we all love. There is a huge difference and if you want all that other "Free" shit, then torrent it and take your chances like everyone else.

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I was just flicking through some other posts thinking 'why does nearly every thread regarding a beta always end up with the same old tired arguement of 'hoarding' and 'releasing' and then stumbled upon this.

Someone just needs to delete this thread, its not bringing anything positive to the forum.

 

I don't see why you would think what the OP thinks in the first place. Collectors of current gen betas/alphas etc for the digital contents of the disc, not the shiny disc itself. And of course once it gets dumped, it is freely available to anyone with an internet connection, so there is little value to the disc itself. The OP's point may apply to games that have already been dumped, there are always collectors who prefer the real thing over a copy, but as most people are interested in the code they'd rather download it for free than pay several hundred on an original.

Birdmanrsx, are you doing to do what you are suggesting? If not then you really cannot have a go.

 

Completely agree. Things like this just drag this place down and clutter it up.

 

Theres always one who doesnt want to work hard and then give his money away but expects everyone else to. Theres plenty of betas your welcome to buy in the marketplace and then share.

 

Oh gawd here we go... This is a BST market, End of story. Anything the author is willing to give up or lose value over will be public anything else is valueable and if you want it then you must barter for it. Thats how this works. Seriously man don't start cursing and demanding and judging the way a forum works, that is not a way to make friends. Also before you call me one of those guys you will see that I have made public some very valuable things to me, but its a economy it is what it is. This is a collection site not a free give away weekend.

 

Well for one your immaturity speaks for its self,another thing you just want a free handout because xbr is out.

My advice
Try and get into the dev scene,get your name known.
Use your own money,buy some debug games and simply do whatever you want with them.