So what shmups are better than Ikaruga?

Last night while digesting dinner I was watching a CIRTIAN Shooting Special by a CIRTIAN member where said member was talking about how over hyped Ikaruga is. I agree and for that matter agreed with everything said. (I'm not in the hair pulling process of trying to track down Psyvariar 2 but that's another matter)

But anywho, What Shmups on DC or otherwise are better than Ikaruga. One Ika fannie dismissed my claims of one of them being Zero Gunner 2 and I've played Tons of shmups but not enough. SO I can't keep rattling off names of Shmups I think are better at will.

So in everyones opinion what is better than Ikaruga? The Powerupless Shmup that you can beat without firing a single shot.

 

Llamatron and space invaiders anytime!

 

Damn, on the SNES, Super Aleste/Space Megaforce is a MASTERPIECE.

 

Nothing. :katamari:

Well if thats so you could Shikigami no Shiro 2. As every DC shmup does it requires some skill too though.
Gunbird 2 on easy... you can also switch to "Baby"-Mode :110:

If you really want easy shooters, you should buy another console like PS or PCE.

 

Yeah I have Shikigami no shiro 2 on Gamecube I love it but I don't think it's better than Ikaruga.

I thought Ikaruga was awesome when I first got it but I started playing more and more shmups and didn't like Ikaruaga as much. hmmmm

I think I can nominate just about ANY Cave Shmup in the better than Ikaruga catagory.

The Franticness of Treasure's own Bangai-O even out does the chaos of Ikaruga at times.

 

Apart from Space Mega Force is edited with cut intro and ending plus missing 1 audio track and changed speech (Some sounds better while others sound poor). The PAL version of Super Aleste is the same cut version that the Americans got but with it's original name oh and bloody SLOOOOOWWWWWW. Even the music is slow. So, get the Japanese Super Aleste. Fantastic amazing game !

Yakumo

 

I dunno if it's better, but I really like Einhander...

 

Raiden1 & 2 & DX & 3. Thread Over.

 

Ok I'll go with Raiden III that game is fanfuckingtastic.

 

Raiden Project is a masterpiece, will buy RIII when I can find it new or second hand for less then what it was new.

 

Meat Gone Bad. "Use your trusty mustard squirt bottle to hold off the evil meaty invaders."

 

They're going for cheap on e bay...

 

Heh, I've always thought Ikaruga was overhyped as well, primarily because I've always thought of it as a gimped Radiant Silvergun. Take away the weapon system, leveling up, plethora of bosses, 3 colors to chain, and grinding and bam! you have Ikaruga.

 

Well thats a pretty basic argumentation. Its not worse because its less complicated, rather the opposite I'd say. Maybe it's just because I got into the game VERY deep, but for me its the deepest and most intelligent scoring shooter ever made. Meanwhile have to admit it has more of a puzzler but of a real shooter though.

 

I'm loving Mushime-sama atm (again)

Ikarugas a good game, but I haven't put the time into it yet. I need a bit of spare time to really get to grips with the scoring system. That said, I've never been a really been a fan of shmups where a lot of it is in the scoring.

 

In my opinion I have to say Under Defeat for DC is better than Ikaruga. I do not know why but I love Under Defeat..the music..difficulty, and overall gameplay make it great. I also am a huge fan of Border Down on DC but I do not feel Border Down is "better" than ikaruga.

It is really hard to catagorize a game as being "better" than another because it all comes down to a matter of opinion. Some people may love a game while others dislike or slightly like something else. Point is not one game is "better" than another per-se..its all opinion.

I must say I LOVE Ikaruga's Soundtrack. I like the soundtrack to the game more than the game itself..heh

 

it really depends on what you want. Ikaruga is a much more streamlined than the RS. RS has a lot going on. Pretty small hit box, 6 weapons, level-up system, chaining, AND those fucking dogs. Ikaruga is more closer to a a recent Cave game in that it basically has two gimmicks and they're heavily exploitable: bullet sucking + chaining.

On that note, if you like that type of stuff, ESPGaluda for the PS2 should be loads of fun. It's Cave's easiest (until Mushihime-sama Futari & Death Smiles, of course), and is bar none, the best Arcade to Home Console conversion and package ever. Mihara may be a dork, but he has very high standards.

@Shikigami
These are fun, but comparing them to Ikaruga is pretty blasphemous... in terms of graphics alone. Far more slapped together than just about anything else during the same time frame.

 

Seconded. :thumbsup: Really amazing what they squeezed out of the SNES.

Mushime-sama is fun 2p.

 

On the DC I would say:
Border Down
Mars Matrix
Trigger Heart Excelica
Under Defeat
Trizeal

are all better than Ikaruga. In general, while it won't be a "complete" list, and I'm only going to list horis, I would say:

Radiant Silvergun
Batsugun
Battle Garegga
Soukyuugurentai
Super Star Soldier
Final Soldier
Nexzr
Raystorm
Dodonpachi
Tatsujun 1 and 2

... and Blast Wind. Though thats just me.

 

Trizeal is better than Ikaruga? Any reasons for that? Trizeal looks awful, plays pretty average and has no true score system. Its simpler but I don't understand why it should be better.
I even prefer Shooting Skill Contest 2007 to Trizeal in playability.