So, my firend and i were arguing about the changes that were made on the remasterised verisons of the Three last star wars (IV,V,VI). I heard on this forum a while ago that the orignal laser disc versions had, by exemple, differents ghosts in the fire luke is watching at the end of the trilogy. Could anyone here post images of the differences between the original version, and it's remasterised counterpart for me and my friend to proove him i'm right. (googled this by the way, with nothing interesting found.) thank you, cahaz
No idea about the Laserdisc. The DVD version, Episode VI, does have Hayden Christensen superimposed over the original Darth Vader actor. It also has a god awful dance scene and excessive CG. I think we had discussed this earlier. But then again, Episode VI is the weakest of the whole series.
*cough* episode 1 + jarjar binks *cough* episode 4 for just sucking. I'd say episode 6 was 1 of the best I remember reading 6 years ago when episode 1 came out that there was also a story penned for episode 7,8 and 9 but they will never be released onto film. Anyhow, returning back on topic - searching reveals nothing, however I don't think the laserdisc remaster had the darth vader changed - they only did that in the newest dvd release, however I think it had jabba as a fatuglyslugbeast instead of human etc in ep 4 to be consistent with the vhs boxset released in 1997 hink it was that year but ...bleh )
Guess it was a good idea to hold onto my VHS Boxset then. I didn't realize the DVD remakes had so many edits made.
Well, forget about the laserdiscs then, just about the original versions versus the changes lucas made. there's that human jabba versus the digitalised one, the luke shoot first thing, and that Hayden Christensen superposed to the original actor. what else? and could anyone post some pictures or send me to a link were i could see the differences in images? It's just that my friend never heard about the original versions, and will not believe me without any unconstestable proof.
I believe if you check the reviews section of www.thedigitalbits.com it shows what has been changed on the dvd's or at least points you to a link that does.
i've just found this interesting link were they talk about every major changes made : http://www.marc-thibodeau.com/Log10-NOV04a.htm no images though.
There's a part at the end of Jedi where they show the palace at Naboo and the people celebrating after the death star is destoryed, as added to the celebration footage insterted in the Special Edition. In Empire, Boba Fett's voice has been changed to the actor that plays Jango Fett in AOTC, which makes sense since he's a clone and all. Luckily all of the Stormtrooper's voices have not been changed to Jango Fett's voice. The scream Luke does when he falls in Cloud City in Empire has been removed (in the VHS special edition version Luke screams as he's falling and fans said they liked it better with no scream, as it makes it more like Luke is sacrificing himself, which is what I always thought.) In Empire the holoimage of the Emperor has been changed to the actor that plays him in all the other movies, as well as some new dialog between him and Vader. (The Emperor says something like, "The one who destroyed the Death Star, Luke Skywalker." Vader: "How is that possible?" Palpatine: " Search your feelings, you know it to be true," or something like that. So it's like Vader doesn't know that Luke even exists until this moment. Which is wierd becasue there was this Dark Horse comic series called "Vader's Quest" that was written by Lucasfilm where Vader discovers who Luke is by torturing mercenaries, then almost caputres him, but Luke escapes and is conviently "blinded" so he doesn't actually see Darth Vader, so the meeting in Cloud city is still the first time they officially meet. ("Official" Star Wars comics, or those written by Lucasfilm, have a little Lucasfilm logo on themand usually deal with major plot points or big characters like Darth Maul, Jango Fett, Han Solo, etc, while unofficial comics ( those written by Dark Horse staff writers,) have no logo and tend to be about subordiante characters (Ki Ai Mundi, the Max Rebo Band, Ephant Mon, the guy who tries to sell Death sticks to Obi wan, etc.) But usually Lucas is pretty consistant about continuity in the Star Wars universe. Anyway... I guess it still sort of fits becasue in the comic all Vader finds out about Luke is that his last name is Skywalker, not that he's his son or anything, so maybe he's confused or something. Ultra geek side tangent is now finished. ) Also in the Episode I dvd there are a few snippets of scenes, like in the Pod race where Annakin's pod nearly flies apart and starts to spin out of control, and a small scene on Corsaunt where everyone gets into a taxi. As the DVDs are, I think actually the changes make them better. One thing I think still needs to be changed are the computer screens in A new hope where they're planning the attack on the Death Star and in the X wing and Tie fighter targeting systems in all three classic movies (becasue it goes from all the badass computer graphics in Episodes I, II, & III to this Atari 2600 shit in Episode IV, V, & VI.) But besides that, everything else seems to fit consistantly. Edit: Unlike the guy in that link above, I think the added Jaba the Hutt scene does a lot to tie Ep. IV and VI together. But yes, Han stepping on his tail was stupid. That should be cut out or fixed or something.
Wow... evangelion-01 isnt useless after all...: http://www.dvdanswers.com/index.php?r=0&s=8&c=28 http://www.dvdanswers.com/index.php?r=0&s=8&c=29 http://www.dvdanswers.com/index.php?r=0&s=8&c=7867673
there are alot more changes and also sound changes, so read the links i just posted, really cool reading
I personally don't agree with much of that guys opinions on the changes. For the most part I think they work (the exception being Greeto shooting first.) As said before, the Jabba in episode IV establishes a relationship between Jabba and Solo, and ties them movies together. Changing Annakin in the spirit scene adds continuity between VI and I, II, and III. Old Annakin doesn't even look like young Annakin, so I'm glad they did it. Changing Boba Fetts audio is only logical, as he's a clone. Yeah, maybe the reading is weaker, but it's consistant now. Besides, from the comics, books, etc. Boba Fett isn't really a villain as he is an opportunist. Changing the Emperor in V makes the scene consistant, and in my opinion better. Damn, I feel like a geek now. No more Star Wars pandering for me today.
thansk for the link, out of all the comparisons i must say it is the most detailed,still i wonder how further these change will go. will just have to wait in a year or two i guess, im still happy with teh dvds, though wish theyd inlcude the special interviwe the did for the se where they explained the new effects added and such.
One of my favorite old trace/NRG records has a sample of Bobba Fett saying "What if he doesn't survive?". Hope they don't change that.
By the time the original trilogy happened, the stormtroopers were all just normal human recruits; clones and clone technology were outlawed not long after the Clone Wars ended. The discovery of cloning equipment used to make a new Imperial army was the plot of one of the first trilogy of books to be written on the further adventures of Luke and company. I think you're thinking of the Marvel comics originally done back in the late '70s between the releases of Star Wars and Empire. Not offically licensed in any way, they often bore more resemblance to Marvel's superheroes than the Star Wars universe, and more than once were the heroes of the Rebellion forced to team up with Vader himself to defeat some even greater (and very odd) threat. The Dark Horse comics have all been licensed by Lucasfilm, and as such won't contradict anything set out in any of the original movies. Dark Horse however did aquire the rights to reprint the original Marvel comics, known as the "Classic Star Wars" line, I believe. Not that Lucasfilm's strict management of licensed novels and the characters therein really mean much, as Lucas himself has seen fit to either directly contradict or alter information that was out before Episodes I, II, and III were released. As far as changes in the films, you've essentially got three different versions: The original theatrical version, the Special Edition, and the DVD release. The original version came on VHS, Betamax, and Laserdisc, and the VHS and Laserdisc releases also came in THX Remastered versions, which were the same content as the originals but with restored sound and picture quality. Then there were the changes in the Special Edition remakes (released on VHS and Laserdisc), and then there was the DVD release, which featured extra changes on top of the Special Edition ones. Don't ask me what they are, as I forget what was different in the Special Edition and haven't touched the DVD edition. I prefer the magic of the original trilogy that's lacking amid all the digital retouchings and special effects of the Special Edition or DVD.
GSL: i could not have said it better myself since i agree , Georg Lucas should make a DVD version fo the untouhed original theatrical versions of the the first three since i think his retouching is fuckedup, and sorry for my cursing in my thread reply since i think he is just money horny and nothing else.
GSL: Well yeah, I was talking about the Dark Horse comics, not the Marvel ones. If you look at the Dark horse comics since they got the liscence, you'll see a little Lucasfilm logo on some of them (well, most of them) which are comics written by/with input from Lucasfilm itself. But some of them lack the logo (Tales of the Jedi for instance) and these were written by the Dark Horse people first then submitted to Lucasfilm afterwards. And Lucas has teams of peope who's job it is to go through and make sure everything fits into the continuity. But yeah, the Marvel starwars comics are non cannon and pretty wacky.
Which is the reason why I kept my original LaserDisc copies as well as getting the new DVDs. Best of both worlds! One of these days I'll get around to copying my LaserDiscs to DVD for convenience, but that's just one project among many. -hl718
*A LOT* of people have already done that! I often lurk around the VideoHelp and Doom9 forums, and at least once a month between the two there's someone attempting to convert their LD pre-Special Edition copies to DVD or whatever. There's a few copies lurking around on BitTorrents and wherever, but the one I've seen so far isn't that great. There's also a pirate DVD from China or Hong Kong which is taken from these LaserDiscs too. Personally, I'm with GSL et al on hating the Special Editions. Trying to improve on 25 year-old films is pretty pointless, and CG is just as bad as puppets, just in different ways, and CG just looks too wrong in such old films. The digitally re-mastered LaserDiscs from around 1994/5 are regarded as the best non-ruined copies of the film. If there were PAL versions of these LDs they would be even better, but I don't think these exist (anyone know?). There were properly PAL mastered VHS tapes released at the same time (which my brother has), so *technically* they're better than the NTSC LDs in terms of vertical resolution (and possibly dot crawl as chroma and luma are separated on VHS - LDs are composite), but suck in comparison to everything else.
