Strange Sega Saturn issue

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  1. Nully

    Nully Dauntless Member

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    I bought a Sega Saturn at a yard sale and when I try to turn it on, the boot screen shows up but the Saturn logo is missing, just the 'planet'. Then it goes to the date/language selection and the cursor block is unaligned with the selection and sometimes doesn't even move with the selection. Then after I save the settings and try go to the main menu, the screen is mostly missing and it freezes. If I have a disc in when turning it on, I can boot it normally but the screen is off-center and there is a green area on the bottom of the screen.

    I reflowed all the solder joints for the AV port with no change, used a different AV cable, used an RF cable, changed the power board etc. Nothing helps, at all. I have no idea what is wrong with this.
     
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    Are the capacitors ok? What about the ribbon cable? When I first did my region switch mod on my Saturn, with crappy kynar wire, I experienced some odd behaviors. You should probably look around the board for anything odd.
     
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    well it wouldnt be the ribbon cable,,cause the problems there from the boot menu. look around your board see if it has been modded on seen a few with this issue of people piggybacking chips. sounds like the video encoder. post a pic of your board.
     
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    When the games are playing (although the screen is misaligned and there is a green point) do they show any additional graphical glitches? If so it may be a GPU issue. Try reflowing that and the CPU (since they work together).
     
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    I finally got around to trying to fix this Saturn.

    "reflow the solder around the VDP2 and its memory (IC14-16)."

    I tried this with no change whatsoever.

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    I'd try replacing the caps around the PLL (IC20)"

    The capacitors are on the way, I'll update the thread again later this week.
     
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    I just fixed a similar problem on my model 1 Saturn. Mine would boot to the date/language selection screen without a cursor at all. It would even "start" games, and by start I mean I could hear sound effects and the system didn't crash, but it only only displayed background graphics. I was able to partially diagnose mine by pushing on the top of the board in the area near and between IC14 and IC17.
    I ended up fixing mine by resoldering IC11. Although I resoldered IC11, IC14, IC15, IC16, and a bunch of other surface mount components while trying to figure out what was actually causing the problem.

    Here is a link to some images that illustrate exactly where I had to push down on the board and what IC I actually had to resolder to fix my problem.

    I hope this helps.
     
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    Thanks for the pictures. Oddly enough, the circled chip is the only one that I didn't bother to reflow. I'll give it a try later today. Use rubbing alcohol and a cotton swab/ball to remove that flux man, it looks awful.
     
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    Thanks for the advice on removing the flux, it looks a sightly less terrible in person than in the picture. IC14 was actually my first time using desoldering braid to resolder surface mount components so I was just pretty pleased that I didn't kill anything.
     
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    Reflowed every chip, no change at all. If the capacitors don't help then I'm throwing it in the trash.
     
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    The replaced capacitors didn't change anything.
     
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    Good for spare parts, I'd buy it.
     
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    LEAVE NO MAN BEHIND!

    [unless he has a pair of working arms...?]
     
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    Sorry to hear that.
     
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