Stubborn dumbass still sells NES hacks, read all about it!

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  1. Mr. Casual

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  2. Alien Workshop

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    Wow, this is like a "Ghost from the Past!"
     
  3. sd0m

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    Sorry, but who really cares. I read the entire other thread from 2004, and there were many points pro and con. And I guess Nintendo hasn't shut him down or locked him up for it. So if people are willing to pay, and they are happy with what they get, I don't care.

    Sorry if it's a sore spot for anyone here, but that is the way I feel about it. No harm, no foul.
     
  4. Barc0de

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    This is a wide load of crap.

    When something is illegal, it's illegal. Plain and simple. It's black and white. That's why they pay and hire lawyers to draft their contracts, and that's why you have patent, copyright, and trademark law. To make sure uncontrolled actions do get the punishment they deserve, as well as compensate the holder of the good title.

    His arguments are spoken out of his ass really. Something that *seems* fair or *rationale* doesn't make it legal.

    The fact that every single one of us has broken the law (generally, not only in relation with video games) has nothing to do with what he is doing. At least when we did (I assume), we were clever enough to get away with it - apparently he is causing himself more trouble than he can handle.

    He is nothing more than a software pirate, who at least lacks the decency to admit what he is doing is fully illegal. If he wanted to be a nice fellow and still keep it legal, he'd give out flash-carts for the right market price, then no one could blame him. But taking a dump in the middle of the street in broad day light, and then saying nobody is going to see you.. well that's just asking for it.

    Just getting to court, losing , and having to pay the bill should be enough up his ass to make him regret for years to come.
     
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  5. Taucias

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    These games have been released. What about leaking games that never saw a release? Is that different? Discuss!
     
  6. Barc0de

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    a game, parts of it, or concepts of it are copyrighted as soon as they re expressed in some expressable form, usually permanent.

    Releasing such material will not be infringing trademark usually, but legally it IS infringment of copyright rules, since the (legal) author of the subject still retains licensing rights. Those rights seize to exist only if the company winds-up, and in the case that the assets (wholly or in part) have not been passed to some other entity.
     
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    GSL kicked some major keister in that thread :lol: Dang, I miss that guy.
     
  8. Sonikku

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    Well it would be ironic not to recognize our own 'violations' and report that poor stupid bastard.

    I ve been bold enough to ask NOA for GDEV assistance and they were very polite in their e-mail reply, not threatning or anything - they just took a hands-off approach and directed me to warioworld ;p
     
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    Well, still, selling pirate NES carts for profit seems a bit more 'evil' then what I see going on in these forums!
     
  11. Barc0de

    Barc0de Mythical Member from Time Immemorial

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    yes, but I must stress that ethics and illegality aren't the same. in the eyes of nintendo both practices are illegal :p (even if collectors have a more "noble" purpose)
     
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    Maybe it is a hardcall....I dunno, seeing that site ie just looked 'obviously' bad...we'll see I suppose.
     
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    Well we can be total dicks and report him anyway. Let's ;)
     
  14. Sonikku

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    Well, if I'm going to be a jerk why 1/2 ass it?

    Reported him to:

    Nintendo
    Konami
    Square-Enix
    Namco
    The ESA
    His Registrar

    I'm *so* going to Hell :p
     
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    Sonikku, its ALWAYS funny as long as it doesnt happen to oneself. Be a dick to everyone as long as you get away with it is the lesson of the day ^_^ haha
     
  16. Taucias

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    Anyone that reports this but has played an unreleased ROM is a hypocrite, IMO. That includes games like Halflife and Propeller Arena on the Dreamcast.

    I'm not condoning what the guy is doing, but that point needs to be made.
     
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    not all of us have roms.....
     
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    Taucias, I don't believe for a second that someone who has owned or played around with development hardware and material hasn't touched upon something illegal.

    The thin dividing line is this however:

    People who are into this hobby do it for their love and curiosity. This man on the other hand is just another pirate, who profits on a regular basis without keeping a low profile.

    If you steal something, you have to do it in style and class at least in my opinion.

    I would label what he does as "cheap", considering he can get a proper job instead of making money on things he doesn't own good title to.

    Both practices are on the illegal spectrum, but it's like comparing Robin Hood to a pocket-thief.
     
  19. Taucias

    Taucias Site Supporter 2014,2015

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    You could also argue he is a hobbyist engineer enabling people to play games on real hardware that would otherwise be lost to them. It depends on how you look at it. The main issue I would have is that he charges $25 per cartridge, but he isn't just arbitrarily selling ROM CDs - there is work going into what he does and I don't know how long it would take him to modify the carts.
     
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  20. Barc0de

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    I *think* he charges a 50. A bit steep for love, isn't it?

    Besides, his website is clearly commercial in nature, with all the arguments to promote his *hobby* as a product more than a hobby (in essence). To me, that's a pirate ;p
     
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