Survey for a project, please read and respond

This situation has two characters. Jack and Robert.

Jack is a huge fan of anime and likewise is also a huge fan of Japanese culture (basically, he's an otaku). He loves everything Japanese. From the food, to the videogames, to the music, to manga(comics), to the television shows and movies. Jack can only read a little Japanese. He knows a little bit of hirugana, a bit of katakana, and very little kanji. One day Jack walks into a comic book shop and sees some T-Shirts with Japanese characters on them(more than likely kanji). He finds the shirt that has the coolest looking character(Japanese letter) on it and proceeds to buy it. He does not find out until 6 months later than the translation of the kanji letter is "Love".

Robert is in a death metal band. He makes angry music about killing children and sending people to hell. The problem is, Robert's band does not have a name. One day, while watching a show he discovers that the Hebrew word for Hell is "Gehenna". Because of this, he decides to name his band "Gehenna". Aside from "Gehenna", Robert has no further interest in the Hebrew language or the culture behind it.

The question is this:
Are these two situations the same thing? Rather, is it the same train of thought that gets Jack to buy the T-Shirt that also gets Robert to name his band "Gehenna"?

Please reply with a simple Yes or No, and thank you for your time.



If you guys would just reply, it would be appreciated.

 

No.

(one is cultural, the other is conceptual interest)

 

Nope. I assume you don't want us to elaborate?

EDIT:

The first guy, the otaku, likes the culture. He wants to know more about the Japanese lifestyle and he bought something that represents that, even if he can't understand the writing itself.

The second guy, the rocker, only chose his band name because it sounds cool. He would rather be ignorant of the culture and isn't interested in learning.

Knowledge is power, one man chooses knowledge while the other chooses ignorance.

 

If you want to you are more than welcome to.

 

no. One is looking for influences, one is simply looking for a solution

 

no... btw no one can just say yes or no as the forum makes you type out at least 10 characters.

 

I would have to say Yes. It is the same train of thought that gets Jack to buy the shirt and Robert to name his band Gehenna.

Jack is into japanese culture, so he only surrounds himself with japanese influences to feed his desire. So when he discovers the Tshirt with the kanji letter for "Love", he immediately buys it.

Robert is into death metal, so he only surrounds himself around dark and negative influences to feed his desire. That is why he picked "Gehenna" for his band name because of its translation meaning Hell.

They both surround themselves into things that feed their main desire, so of course the same intention, which is to feed their desire, is what made them do those things.

 

Short answer: Yes

Long answer: Both guys are caught in the mystery that each particular word implies, and both guys don't know exactly what the word/symbol/whatever actually means. Jack probably wouldn't have bought the shirt if he knew it meant "Love,"and Robert would name his band Ghenna if he knew that it actually meant "a place of burning refuse." That's like naming your band "Garbage dump."

 

Yes and no.

Both chose something that related to them in their own way.

But then again, one person might have bought it just because its Japanese, while the other person chose the name only because of the name.

Still, the person with an interest for Japanese culture didn't know any kanji, so he also bought/chose it because it looked cool to him, and Japanese. In a way that's the same as picking a name because it happens to sound cool.

 

No.

Jack chose something foreign for its visual appeal, ignorant of what it meant.
Robert chose something foreign that happened to fit into his world view, knowing well what it meant.

 

No. Two reasons, the first is clear-cut, the second less so:
1/ Comprehension. Jack didn't understand, Robert did.
2/ Cultural referencing. Jack was obviously interested in the cultural reference, Robert probably didn't care, although it's arguable he chooses the word Gehena because it is outside his culture (he didn't call the band "Hell" in English, for instance). It could be said that their choices reflect similar beliefs that foreign stuff/language is cool.

Overall it's probably not a question that is answerable in a single yes/no manner. The question is so complex (multiple issues) I can't imagine being able to draw conclusions from the answers, and there can't be any statistical analysis since it won't be known how many people aren't taking part... I'd be kind of interested to know where you're taking this, after everyone finishes responding...

 

that is a load of bullshit, since then you would say that Nightwish are satanists too ?

Sorry leave religion out of your opinion.

If I called "my" band for "Defender" I would be inspired by the song of Manowar, and then you can attack Manowar for being satanists , but they are not.

Robert choose the name "Gehenna" because , he wants to provoke a feeling, and every fanatic Christian rightwinged person, will frown upon him. And that is what he wants, since he wants to send out the message with his band. He doesn´t like fanatism, and not all death metal bands, are satanists.

Wiki it up, if you don´t believe me, and then make your own opinion without your religion mixed up into your opinion. And also, be objective, and not subjective.

And to the other guy, great that he like the japanese culture.

 

Respect other peoples valid opinions please. You are free to say you dont agree but calling it bullshit is abit over the line.

 

It was a vague stereotype for a hypothetical question. Get over it.

More to the point, you didn't even attempt to answer the question.

 

I see noone bringing religion into this but you Wolverine. Noone here is attacking death metal, people (like me) enjoy it here on the forums. You over-react to things too much I think. Seriously, Calm down. If someone having a LITTLE fun with Death Metal culture bothers you, Id really hate to see what your reactions are to other things

As for the question, Id say No they arent the same thing. One of them is looking to get into the culture and the other is not interested in the culture in the least. Their circumstances up to the end of the story are entirely different, so my vote goes to no, even if their end goal is the same thing.

Might we ask what this is for, and also when its completed that you post the results here?

Pretty interesting seeing some of the responses, Seems like this has a deeper meaning on the way you view the world than I originally thought. :thumbsup:

 

Nightwish aren't Death Metal though, are they?

To answer the question, at least from my perspective, No. In terms of train of thought, Jack was drawn to the cultural idea of the word despite not knowing what it meant, whereas Robert was drawn to the meaning of the word without knowing the culture behind it. They are opposites.

 

And my final answer is : No.

 

LOL!

May Allah forgive you.

Well enough horsing around.

Is there a right answer to this survey or no?

 

No.

Jack supposedly finds a shirt which has the coolest looking character. As I see it, he chose it based on his love for Japanese culture, but he did not know what it meant. He was more interested in its appeal.

On the other hand, Robert named his band after he discovered the meaning of "hell" in Hebrew. He also did not choose it because he was interested in the culture. He however chose the name only after discovering what "hell" in Hebrew meant, not at first sight like how Jack did.

 

LOL oh no, they are symphonic heavy metal/symphonic power metal. But still, even death metal aren´t always satanic.

madhatter256: I didn´t know you were a muslim , did you by the way like the twelve humourous drawings ? Sorry I couldn´t resist. Since I really don´t care, how much Denmark is down in popularity after that big escapade (no the case isn´t really over yet, strangely enough).

Paulo: Baby, if you want to say something to me, and I will respect without a doubt, and also begin to like you, then PM me , since you have never ever replied to any PM´s from me, and well none of the two PM´s were bad or anything like that. Sadly, I don´t have copies of them anymore.