The 3DFX - SEGA "Black Belt" dreamcast thread.

Here are infos abot the "Vegas" 3dfx arcade hardware.
http://www.system16.com/atari/hrdw_vegas.html

Jollyroger

 

Just interested in the control system and VMU for the Blackbelt.

When was the VMU concept finalised? Was it before the Dural/Blackbelt showdown, and an integral part of the whole system, or was this a separate creation after the Dural/Katana system was settled upon? If the system was always gonna have the VMU, I suppose the design would be roughly the same.

I would be interested in the history of the control pad though. I'm sure everyone's seen the piccies of the proto DC pads. Was the design of the pads handled exclusively by Sega Japan? Surely that would mean any protos pads would be used for either system. That would mean that the BB would have used the standard DC pads?

 

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It seems that if we do not speak with people who work/used to work for Sega/3dfx or someone pretty close to them,this thread will fall victim of endless speculation.....

 

Then we need to go to Santa Monica (or Palo Alto?) and go to nVidia's HQ, they have some ppl from 3dFX working there since they bought them out.

 

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well,according to the Katana R2 build logs,which seems to be the first Katana devkit available to developers(this is implied by the Readme file in it),it was compiled on April 1998,way after the lawsuit business settled down(July 97 i think?)...So if we assume it was shipped to developers 1-2 months after it was completed,it seems that NEC/Videologic had something ready way after the lawsuit.

Did 3Dfx have anything ready earlier?the only proof is that poster above,but noone knows if it is true....

hl718 used to have info on dev systems,he might have heard something...
R u there hl718?

 

Ahaaa, now I recognise you...
I was wondering how you knew about the R2 libs...

Anyway tonight I'll check whether there are any dates stamped on the Set2 boards...

Jollyroger

 

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cheers Fran

Do you still have the extra board?Drop me a mail whenever you can

 

Hey! Can someone upload the R2 dev to a ftp? I would love to see it!!



PD

 

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there is really nothing impressive.Just 4-5 tech docs and some demos,including the somewhat famous "Scud Race" Demo.But you cannot watch it unless you have the set2.1 card.

It would be a nice little project to port the Scud race demo to the current DC hardware.I do not think it will be too difficult.

I'll try to check it out during the summer when i will have time.

 

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Can we have pictures of the scud race demo ive never seen that demo!

 

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Do you have it? Could you upload it somewhere? I would love to see the early DC demos and docs. I can provide a FTP if you need.


PD

 

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bummer....no source code for the scud race demo...only the executable

As for the R2 sdk,it is around 200 megs and i have just an isdn internet connection,so uploading would take really a lot of time.Also it is really useless.If you have seen later sdks there is nothing new to see.

The only cool part would be to have someone capture some of the demos.

Anyway,we are losing the point here,BLACKBELT info please

 

It has been said that the BlackBelt used some derivative of 3Dfx Banshee, or Banshee2/Voodoo3. any indication if that is correct, and any specific information on the whole chipset including graphics, CPU, audio, memory, etc. ?

 

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How big is the Scud binary? Maybe could you share it with us?


PD

 

And if you could get it running, please grab some screens and put them online.

 

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so yer hinting that this is a gigadrive heh?

Note:you cannot use the scud race demo without the set2 card.

 

no, not at all. GigaDrive was the early codename (in 1991) for Sega's 32-Bit console, which was said to be based off of their System32 arcade board. later the GigaDrive was re-worked and upgraded into the Saturn that was eventually released.

not at all related to BlackBelt, which would've been a generation beyond Saturn.

btw, I too would absolutely be thrilled to see some screen captures of the Katana Scud Race demo. I've been dying to see that since 1998.


here's what c&vg had to say about the Scud Race demo:

http://www.pczone.co.uk/news/news_story.php?id=8991

and

http://www.computerandvideogames.co...ws/news_story.php(que)id=8993&domain=nintendo

also, I pulled this from a Sega Base article:

http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cach...ast%20Failed.txt+"Super+GT"+Katana+demo&hl=en

 

I'll try and put one of my Set2 cards in my PC and see if I can get the Scud Race demo up and running.
If I manage to, I'll post some screenshots and maybe a video on my website...

Jollyroger

 

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yeah i know about gigadrive,if it actually ever existed...and btw,stay away from Segabase texts...Outdated and huge source of SERIOUS misinformation and speculation...i assume that is there where you heard about gigadrive,so that is why i doubt its existence

As for Dural,some say it was the Sega-Nvidia project.Segabase says Dural was the system the scud race demo run on,while we all know katana was the bizniss

Anyway,take care