GUIDE The many unusual types of TEST ps2.

My PS2 Test is come back to life. I have replaced fuse and D011 K1V600 diode for 1.5KE200A and now it works OK.
I found 80GB MAXTOR PATA 133 disc and connected it to NA SCPH-10350, but don't know what's next. It is my first PS2 fat

 

So while browsing an auction site I recently came across a DTL-90000A
I personally have not bought it but I don't recall ever seeing this type. It's a slim PS2, but half of the top is a gloss finish and the other half (the tray for the disc) is matte. Does anyone know anything about this? (I did do a quick search on assembler for "dtl-90000" and no results came up)

 

That's because you got the model number wrong. It should be DTL-H90000A, which some members here own.

 

Once got a DTL-90000A from NetYaroze.Works well with my master disc.But I forgot the test result of FMCB....

And recently I got a well boxed DTL-H50009J.Really rare model as it's the test kit for PS2 China version(SCPH-50009) which has larger BIOS size for simplified Chinese characters font.Never seen or heard of it since I started dev stuff collecting.Only an article written in 2003 can be found mentioned it after I got it and googled it.
I tested the FMCB 1.92 made in cross-model mode from a SCPH-10000.It works for my retail SCPH-50009 but black screen on booting DTL-H50009J.I will try to test installing FMCB directly from this TEST kit this weekend to see if it's working.Maybe it has no KELF decryption module like DTL-H100XX/DTL-H300XX,either.

Would any one tell me which BIOS dump tool can dump the BIOS of SCPH-50009 properly?I plan to use it to dump the BIOS of DTL-H50009.
Thank you.

And along with the DTL-H50009J,there is another DTL-H30001E.It's NTSC with U/C region.But it's 220V.So anyone know what does the 'E' in tail mean?

 

Congratulations on getting such rare consoles!

The Chinese unit does not have a larger boot ROM. It has a DVD ROM chip with one more region, which is rom2.

FMCB (as of the current version of v1.94), does not support Debugstation consoles as they are unable to decrypt DVD player KELFs, which the FMCB binary is flagged as.

As for dumping the ROMs, it depends on what sort of dump you want to make. I made PS2Ident to be able to make exact copies of the content of the ROM chips and to collect information of all known consoles in existence, but the PCSX2 developers were not interested in changing their emulator to support dumps of the ROM chips. If you want to be able to use your dumps with PCSX2, you need to either split apart the DVD ROM dump yourself or use their dumper.

There is no BIOS in the PS2, as the stuff in the ROM chips do not really offer basic I/O. Instead, SCE refers to the chips as the BOOT and DVD ROM chips. Since your unit is a Debugstation, it should not have a DVD ROM chip, which means that rom2 does not exist.

Honestly, I would like it if you would make a dump with PS2Ident (especially with the new version that I am working on in private), so that our list of consoles can be more complete. Unfortunately, I need its mainboard model number to label your dump with, which will require you to open it up. I understand that not everyone will agree to doing such a thing (and personally, I do not really like cutting open sealed sets), so I don't expect you to make such a contribution.

But I would still be interested in a full ident dump from that set, nevertheless.

As for your DTL-H30001E, perhaps it is a unit for European developers that existed before the actual European unit was made (which is the DTL-H30002, with ROM v1.20 that is newer than the one in the DTL-H30001). You probably got something unique here, so a full ident dump would be interesting too.

On a side note (related to this thread), the DTL-H10000S has a different Model ID from the DTL-H10000. It reports 0xFFFFAB, instead of 0x1A0001.

 

AFAIK the E suffix meant 240V power supply (the DTL-H30001 would have a 110V power supply). Otherwise developers in Europe would keep blowing up the 110V power supplies when they were working on US/Japanese games (they did this a lot in the PS1 days which is why the later debugs have external universal power supplies).

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:PS2_TEST_DTL-H30001E_vertical_back.jpg

They would probably have been used at exhibitions in Europe as well before games had been localised.

An E version should be indistinguishable from the non E version using software, but it would be interesting.

 

I'm quoting the DTL archive list (which is vaguely outdated):
Suffix Definitions for the Debugging Station (for PlayStation 2)
E = Console from another region designed to run on 220-240V for the European market.
J = Console from another region designed to run on 120V for the Japanese developer market.
S = Console designed to only run retail games from the region the model number specifies.
U = Console from another region designed to run on 120-240V for the US developer market.

 

Shouldn't Japanese sets run on 100V? And the US sets from 110-120V?

Also, are you saying that the S-units are region-locked? They do not seem to have a "valid" MODEL ID, so perhaps they are sample units from the time right before their models were added to the lineup?

 

Wasn't "S" just meant to designate a Debugging Station with a standard "PS2" logo for being used in "Trade Shows" ? ('S' as in "Show" version, for press to take pictures of)

 

Japan has a nominal voltage of 100V and US has a nominal voltage of 110V. But in both you're likely to get between 100V & 127V from the socket on the wall, the power supplies in the consoles should be identical.

In the UK our nominal voltage switched from 240V to 230V to match the EU, but none of the equipment changed (the UK is officially 230V +10%/−6%).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mains_electricity#Voltage_levels

For switched mode power supplies it's really only important whether it's 1xxV or 2xxV.

I think that is the main purpose of them, whether they made arbitrary decisions on limitations as well is another matter. Maybe they didn't want to sell a multi region console that had the PS2 logo on it. Although why they allowed any TEST to run out of region retails is strange.

 

Thanks sp193 for your really helpful reply!And for your excellent tools.

Yes,you are right.If there is no Basic I/O via the rom,it should be only treated as a boot rom.
And sorry for my lack of knowledge on PS2.It's the first time I know that the additional part of the boot rom on China version PS2 is DVD ROM chip.I always think it is caused by the large font graphic support for Chinese character system.And I always think that's the cause that China version games cannot run properly on any other system even use FMCB or ESR.

I will use your PS2Ident to dump the rom this weekend and provide more detail on this kit.But open the kit and check the main board model may not be done on it now.But I may provide the rom data and board info on dtl-h30001E.
For PCSX2,I remember there is only one version(VM mode version) can support running with the boot rom of China version PS2.So it may not be very easy to test the dumped boot rom.

 

Yes, that is correct (I just copy-pasted the info written by Golberg at the time.)
Here's a quote from the official faq:
Some of the debugs have model numbers with an S on the end, like DTL-H10000S.
These just have the "PS2" logo on top instead of the "TEST" logo, for use at trade shows.

 

I was referring to what @unclejun wrote. I'm curious to know whether it was a typo or if SCE really mentioned those ranges (which is strange, as Japan doesn't use 120V and the US should have a 110-120V range advertised instead... which means that it's factually incorrect).

I don't remember seeing anything like that amongst the documents that I've collected. Could you please tell us where SCE mentioned that?
Even if it's just a show unit (in other words, its chassis has a "retail" design), I really wonder why they had to change its model ID to something that looks invalid.

I've already wrote a reply to him, via e-mail. But I'll mention what I said here, for the sake of everyone.

Perhaps, the boot ROM uses it, but it's just not part of the boot ROM itself.
Please don't feel bad, as this console is rare and even FMCB only started supporting it officially with v1.9x.

Most likely, it's caused by the usual problems like a weak laser, modchip interferring with the game, incompatibility with ESR or just a bug in OPL. However, it's not impossible for such games to have been made to only boot on NTSC-C sets... but that being said, it should boot on a NTSC-U/C set (USA console) without a modchip.

I have a DTL-T10000H to debug the game with, if you would like to find out what's wrong...

The PCSX2 emulator uses High-Level Emulation (HLE) for a lot of things, like booting ELFs or for fastboot. Unfortunately, bad things can happen because of that (e.g. it patches the wrong area and crashes the running program).
The locations of rom1, rom2 and erom is ROM-specific, but their drivers (ROMDRV, ADDDRV and ADDROM2 from the boot ROM) already know where they reside within the DVD ROM chip. If the OSDSYS of the SCPH-50009 requires the font file from rom2, it's possible that PCSX2 doesn't actually mount rom2 at the right place...
Unfortunately, the PCSX2 developers weren't interested in changing the ROM format (from seperate rom1, rom2 and erom dumps, into a single dump of the DVD ROM chip).

 

Guys, how to run NA with 80GB Maxtor on PS2 Test? It is my first PS2 fat and I don't know nothing about it.

 

It's in the tool_faq.pdf, found on the 2001 Technical Reference disc.

 

I'm pretty certain that is not a list of what is printed on the back labels. I don't know if anything is printed on the power supply inside, but there will be components rated with their own nominal voltage which may have caused some confusion. They may have made it up.

AFAICT Sony put the nominal voltage on the labels. So European consoles have 220-240V(*), US consoles have 120V and Japanese consoles have 100V printed on the label. I'm not sure there is any difference between the power supplies of the Japanese and US consoles though, because they all have to cope with a range and the listed voltage isn't necessarily in the middle of that range. The 100V vs 120V is important for Linear power supplies and anything with a heating element.

(*) The 220-240V is a range of nominal voltages not what the console can cope with as some parts of the UK receive 250V.

 

Basically any European equipment can operate in 210 (220 -10%)-250v (240 +10%) range. For Japanese equipment - 120-127v won't kill it either. For the lowest voltage - still use 250W 65V transformer from medical equipment as step-down for Japanese consoles for more than 30 years, not a single glitch just less heating. Not sure if US equiment will work properly though, and i don't need to test as i have industrial class 3kW UPS which have 230 and 120v outputs.

 

We've found at least two variations of the DTL-H10000:
ROM 0101XD20000224, comment "PS2DEX.shinjo0101", MECHACON CXP101064-602R
ROM 0101JD20000217, comment "PS2DEX.0101", MECHACON CXP102064-003R

The DTL-H10000S appears to be similar to the DTL-H10000 in all aspects (even the MECHACON).

The DTL-H30000 itself is a D-chassis console (GH-010), while the US and European DTL-30K models are B-chassis (GH-004) consoles.
Probably because Japan started having expansion-bay consoles, starting with the D-chassis model.

On a side note, I'll like to mention that the strange IDs that cde's DTL-H10000S unit has, were probably a result of a hardware problem. I saw an older dump of that console, and the values all looked like a normal DTL-H10000 unit's.

 

If you look your dumps, there's a pattern. All the Debugging Stations with Magic Gate decryption disabled have "X" on their ROMVER string instead of the region letter...

 

I thought so too. But his DTL-H10000 has secrman_for_tool, but yet has a 'J' where the 'X' should be.
Likewise, his DTL-H30000 has "0150JD20010118" as ROMVER. And it doesn't support MG file decryption either.

Therefore, this theory that a letter 'X' means that MG file decryption is not supported, must be thrown out.
Please take note that we have not tested whether the MECHACON chips of these consoles really do not support MG file decryption. For all we know, perhaps they do, but SCEI just disabled it in software.