The Market Will Decide The Winner...

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  1. madhatter256

    madhatter256 Illustrious Member

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    Between BluRay and the HD-DVD disc format, according to Matsushita.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/zd/20060421/tc_zd/176317;_ylt=Ald.V1sbQ9K.FII3Acw4M9ojtBAF;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA

    Looks like we might have another VHS/Betamax war. Both sides know that DVD, while still capable of bringing out high quality video (IMO), is out of date security wise. DVDs can be easily copied whereas the BluRay and HDDVD cannot because of added DRM capabilities built onto the disc and onto the respective player itself.

    I find it wierd that Toshiba is backing HDDVD but aren't they responsible for creating the BluRay disc drives for the PS3?

    It seems like BluRay is more "high-tech" than HD DVD and thus more expensive than HD-DVD. It says in the article that Toshiba plans on releasing an HD-DVD player for $500 compared to $1000 for a BluRay.

    Not only does the film industry a deciding factor in which format will come out as being the most popular, but also the videogame industry with MS and Sony having competing formats, too.
     
  2. Barc0de

    Barc0de Mythical Member from Time Immemorial

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    good luck with PS3 and HDMI 1.3 Sony, although SONY gets to have a clear advantage with the trojan horse number 3. In my view, most people won't even bother buying the new stand-alone players, but if they have a PS3 laying around, they ll surely get a BD from bullockbuster's (blockbuster's) as long as it can be played on their brand new investment. They probably wont even think that their analog composite connections would care less if it's a DVD or a Blu-Ray disk..but that's life.

    EDIT: that said, i remember that LG was making a combo drive?
     
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  3. Sally

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    As goes porn, so to will the consumer. Porn has chosen HD-DVD
     
  4. Barc0de

    Barc0de Mythical Member from Time Immemorial

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    Ace, I think you over-estimate the power of the wank-side. Porn in hi-def.. sounds a bit expensive and pointless - with the same or less money the same person can live porn for a year (i assume)
     
  5. hl718

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    The porn industry adopted VHS.
    The porn industry put out the first DVDs.
    The porn industry completely *ignored* UMD.

    -hl718
     
  6. joehax

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    you can buy plenty of porno UMD these days :thumbsup:
     
  7. Barc0de

    Barc0de Mythical Member from Time Immemorial

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    I understand your point, but the leap from DVD to hi-def media isnt as evident and as needed to most consumers as the leap from VHS to DVD. The adoption of VHS had some other factors to it, so the porn factor I think played a small part.

    The umd "failed" so far for other obvious reasons, not lack of porn.

    Thanks to the internet and high-speed connections, porn has found it's way more easily around anyway.

    The only problem with hi-def is that the actors must really put on some good make-up to hide any imperfections :p
     
  8. the_steadster

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    There both just another laserdisc/DVD-A/SACD/DAT/UMD. People don't need them, and so won't buy them.
     
  9. RyanGamerGoneGrazy

    RyanGamerGoneGrazy Clubbies Are Minis Too!

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    If you go to http://www.bestbuy.ca they have a blue-ray and a hd-dvd player, for pre-order...with the blue-ray priced at over 1000, and the hd-dvd at around 600, surprisingly though, the discs themselves, according to the site, arent that much more

    Ryan
     
  10. madhatter256

    madhatter256 Illustrious Member

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    Local Best Buy was saying they will soon carry HD DVD players starting at $500.

    Also, never, ever underestimate the power of the porn industry. Porn industry chose HD DVD as their main venue but big porn producers like Vivid entertainment will still sell porn on Blu Ray Discs. They chose HD because they believe it will permeate the market and be more readily available than Blu Ray. Only the rich right now can afford a Blu ray player, but the person who makes middleclass income can afford a $500 HD DVD player.

    The porn industry isn't the deciding factor on which medium wins because, well demand for porn isn't publicly high... and there's the Internet. It is companies like Disney, Warner Bros., New line, etc which are key figures on which format will win or not. It depends on which one they decide to produce more for a certain format.
     
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  11. Sally

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    They'll buy them if that's all that gets made... People fail to realize how the transition between DVD and VHS really happened. Funny how recent VHS releases are all really crappy quality transfers... and they're mostly bad movies anyway. It creates a sense that VHS are lower quality. VHS tapes haven't been made in any signifigant quantity in a few years. They just keep writing over old stock that doesn't sell, thus the quality is lower and lower.

    Someone finally realized that this would benifit DVD sales, and it became in intentional handycap for VHS. The bean counters are going to analyze the VHS to DVD transition and realize that by making a bunch of crappy DVD's, they'll subconsiously persuade people to switch to the new formats...

    Either that, or my tinfoil hat is on too tight...
     
  12. _skitzo_

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    This isn't true at all, few have picked HD-DVD, while others are with BluRay.
    Everyone else? Well many have gone on record to say whatever Playstaion will come out with.
     
  13. Hawanja

    Hawanja Ancient Deadly Ninja Baby

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    I think Mr. Ace has got it right there, whichever one sells the most players, the studios will gradually transition over to that format. As it is in the begining price is usually a big factor, assuming both players support regular DVD, one costs twice as much as the other one. So you're a consumer living inside of a budget, which one do you get? Assuming both will have basically the same major releases (which of course they will until one format becomes dominant.)

    Taking the VHS/Betamax war as an example, one of them had crappier quality but had the support of the major movie studios precisely becasue of that (remember the movie studios thought that the VCR was going to kill the movie industry- they couldn't have been more wrong.) The stuidos supported VHS partially becasue it was crappier, so you couldn't get the full theatre experience at home. Now the quality between blue ray and HD is pretty much the same, so it goes to which one is cheaper to produce, which is HD. So that's what my money is on.
     
  14. Barc0de

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    I think all the views here are correct up to a certain extent, but the PS3 factor is what surely gives an unfair advantage to blu-ray compared to HD-DVD. The lack of built in HD-DVD in any other console (a peripheral is likely to fail, based on precedent) leaves it an open wound.

    And there is not a single doubt in my mind that PS3 will sell, no matter what the price. Let's not forget how SONY kept the PS2 price higher than the XBOX and still sold like hot-cakes. That's a large install-base that only needs some tapping, porn or not.

    Even Disney and Warner Bros. realize the future large install base of the PS3, and they will be more than willing to ride that horse when time comes, even if most people don't harness the true power of Hi-Def.
     
  15. hl718

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    I'll stick with buying all my movies in HD-DVD if only because it is much more consumer friendly with its DRM model. I may end up with a BD player due to the PS3, but I won't be buying any of the BD films. Not with such a restrictive DRM model.

    -hl718
     
  16. Sally

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    I only own about 30 dvd's anyway, so i really don't care who wins...


    But one of the things i like is the fact that my modern game consoles will all play DVD's. I'm going to get really pissed off switching between players in this next generation
     
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  17. GaijinPunch

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    Uhh... it isn't?

    I can say this though. If BR players are consisently twice the price, I think it's obvious which one will win (assuming quality is for the most part, the same).
     
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  18. A. Snow

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    Don't forget though that Sony controls MGM, United Artist, Columbia Tristar, and the former Orion Pictures, along with others and their various television subsidiaries. Their combined catalog is massive. It's not enough for Sony to win on it's own but it is a severe blow to HD-DVD that none these films will be available until they have won absolutely.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Pictures
     
  19. blackzc

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    The PC market is most likely going HDDVD so that will play a big role..HD-DVD will be the winner becuse of porn,PC and cost.

    Beta had a better picture than VHS ever did and VHS still came out on top, so quaility wont metter here either. Sont is going kill themselves by creating all these media format that dont catch on. ...seems like sony was involved in betamax back in the day?
     
  20. Flyinghigh

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    how can you know this?
    how many do you have? :p :D
     
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