Using Zapper & Superscope on emulator displayed on CRT,

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  1. G14

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    I have an aching heart that always wanted to play with snes on the superscope 6, hell I still remember the commercial with the kid pointing the scope with pixel precision at a mole. So I went ahead and purchased the zapper and superscope 6, but since I own no console just the adapters to plug the respective controllers on the pc. I wonder if its possible to use the light guns with emulators connected to a genuine CRT, via s cable.


    Since I am thinking of getting a 36 inch trinitron crt from craigslist, and have been searching all over the net but the results come back about how light guns dont work on flat panels,

    So I thought I would post here with the experts, maybe someone can tell me if the signal timing would register on the gun if it is being generated by an emulator.


    Thanks in advance.
     
  2. sonicsean89

    sonicsean89 Site Soldier

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    I've seen people use a lightgun on a CRT monitor with no problem, but I don't know of an emulator that lets you hook up a light gun. Some emulate it with a mouse, but I haven't seen one that plays with the real hardware.
     
  3. MottZilla

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    No, it won't work. The adapters to use SNES controllers on your PC are not designed for any lightgun. You cannot use the Super Scope with anything but an actual SNES (or possibly a hardware clone) with a CRT type TV. "Flat Screen" generally people mean LCD and Plasma TVs. There are flat tube CRT TVs that should work with home console lightguns. It's all about the CRT technology versus the LCD, Plasma, etc.

    So if you really wanna use a Super Scope, buy a SNES and CRT TV. No emulator is going to let you use it.
     
  4. retro

    retro Resigned from mod duty 15 March 2018

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    A PC monitor refreshes too fast, anyway.
     
  5. G14

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    Ok thanks Mottzilla, Ive already spent money on the peripheral, no reason to stop there. However I am curious,you say the adapter was not designed or meant to be used with a lightgun, but shouldn't it be a standard controller signal recognized through the adapter? as long as it is supported by the emulator shouldn't it work? No idea, just brainstorming here, I already bought a console off of ebay anyway.

    And Retro this is the setup I initially had in mind.

    PC to CRT tv Via S-cable
    Original lightgun connected through PC via controller adapter.


    SonicSean89 ,I just looked at Snes9x v1.53, and it says it has super scope 6 support under the input tab.
    Now I am confused.
     
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  6. AtomizerZero

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    Pretty sure that means it just uses the pc mouse as a pointer.
     
  7. G14

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    Ahh, mouse support, that makes sense,

    On another note I am surprised no one has tried this setup yet.
     
  8. MottZilla

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    The lightgun receiver box probably uses signals the controller does not. Either way it doesn't matter. Your adapter for the PC is designed to convert a standard joypad for the PC. Emulators aren't magic either. The emulator is a program running on your PC. It doesn't have direct access to that port on your adapter. Nor does the program work in the same way as a real system.

    Emulators do support emulating the Super Scope and they do so using the Mouse. No SNES emulators actually support using a PC lightgun. It's possible that a PC lightgun exists and could possibly be programmed into an emulator. But it wouldn't be the Super Scope. And it also would require alot of work that no one is going to do for you.

    This all brings us back to what I said before. If you want to use the Super Scope, you need a real system and a CRT.
     
  9. rso

    rso Gone. See y'all elsewhere, maybe.

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    Well, it doesn't work, and I don't know about you but I don't go around posting all my failures everywhere, sounding stupid. So someone might very well have tried it before.

    Anyways, those adapters present themselves on the PC side as a gamepad and interpret the controller data (at least those parts of it they understand, which on all adapters I know of is only the gamepad stuff). The emulator asks "which buttons are pressed" via normal OS means. The scope uses a whole other protocol (and the snes mouse uses yet another one) and as such would probably not even show up as a plugged-in controller, or if it did, malfunction since the adapter is interpreting the data all wrong.

    On the emulator side, the port inputs on the virtual console are set to whatever the simulated device would output (deduced from "pressed buttons" for a pad, or the mouse position for the scope or, well, mouse). So if you can find an adapter that just passes through the raw data (NB: no known adapter(*) does that) you might be able to hack an emulator to work with non-gamepad peripherals.

    (*) Iirc, back in the DOS days, people connected SNES pads to the parallel port. On the Raspberry I've seen sth similar with the GPIO ports. That might actually work, but you'd need to know your way around how to write low-level hardware interface code. And even then there might be timing issues.
     
  10. sonicsean89

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    I used to have one, I got it in a box of PS2 and N64 controllers, I gave it to someone since I don't have a PC with a Serial port on the back.
     
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