Why aren't they bricking jtags?

Discussion in 'Xbox 360 Development' started by itchy, Oct 7, 2010.

  1. itchy

    itchy Guest

    Hi,i have a question.

    Why Microsoft don't brick JTAG ?
     
  2. Tyler

    Tyler Enthusiastic Member

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    wouldn't that would be illegal?

    Ms owns devs not retails:p
     
  3. inspuration

    inspuration Spirited Member

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    Microsoft doesn't brick JTAG consoles because even though you have modified the console, all they can do is ban you from XBL and void your warranty. A jtag is still your property as you paid for it. If M$ were to brick them, they would be destroying your property.
     
  4. itchy

    itchy Guest

    4h
    It's too long.
    They can't do a update for check the nand or something like that ?
    If you don't have this update , you can't connect. (like the ps3)
     
  5. lllsondowlll

    lllsondowlll Fiery Member

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    Because jtag's don't commonly connect to PN and leak shit, thats why.
     
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    ASSEMbler Administrator Staff Member

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    Probably because in some countries it is not illegal to modify your xbox that way.
     
  8. lllsondowlll

    lllsondowlll Fiery Member

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    ...what? That's Microsoft's reasoning for bricking kits and not jtags...
     
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  9. damox

    damox Spirited Member

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    It's must be nice to work for a big company like Microsoft.

    Otherwise, you couldn't possible know that.
     
  10. lllsondowlll

    lllsondowlll Fiery Member

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    First off I don't appreciate your sarcasm, second off it's obvious to anyone with a brain and and capable of reasoning. I have had a kit for YEARS and this didn't happen until there was a mass leakage of PN material, MS retaliated immediately after. Why? Because MS doesn't want their content compromised, Jtag's are not "publicly" capable of such threat to their private networks. MS simply went out of their way to create a blacklist for people not supposed to have kits after the leaking incident which normally would have just been a ban but Microsoft was trying to prove a point and bricked unauthorized kit's on their private network. and returned immediately to locking PN access with kv bans after the "bitch slap" was handed out. Why were ban's only handed out to jtag's? Because they are only a threat to the XBL servers for 30 minutes at most for the cost of 100 dollars every half hour. This was something I had predicted for months but my pleas fell on deaf ears.
    Abuse leads to action, action was taken.
     
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  11. ASSEMbler

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  12. itchy

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    Thx shadow.
    Thx assembler for correct the title of the topic,i'm not english ;)
     
  13. ddxcb

    ddxcb Gota J.T.A.G. That Xbone Yo.

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    As everyone here agrees that bricking JTAG's are illegal, if any one dissable the R6T3 resitor then no efuse burning. also remember the HDD cripple ban, how people were going to sue ms for moddifying there system.
     
  14. LEo

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    They removed it in the next update.
     
  15. ASSEMbler

    ASSEMbler Administrator Staff Member

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    I'd say in summary, 360 is my property, devkit is not.

    Seems clear.
     
  16. Juggahax0r

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    Some good points have been made...I will go ahead and put my 2 cents in.
    DevKits..are the sole property of M$ they can do whatever they want to with it remotely or otherwise, and they know that none of the people who got bricked have any legal recourse to take, or are even likely to say anything(except on forums like this).

    IF M$ did decide to start bricking Jtag modified consoles they would have angry parents of a bunch of Halo/Mw2 kiddies filing a class action lawsuit. NOW knowing about how the modification works, we know that it really falls into an illegal area of console modification, it allows piracy whether that is it's intended purpose or not, and it allows people to cheat online.

    However the average citizen in the U.S. (parents of the kids)does not know that it is illegal and can use that as a defense. Another point is if M$ did brick a Jtag console, the only evidence they would have against the person to prove it was illegally modified is probably a company secret they wouldn't be willing to share, and therefore would hurt their case if a lawsuit were to happen probably not but they wouldn't reveal anything in open court..and it's just in general bad PR, and we are in a recession right now..and MS does not win every single lawsuit they enter.
    A judge may side with the plaintiffs you never know. I mean the threat of a lawsuit was enough for them to change the HDD crippling affect.

    M$ also realizes that eventually their won't be anymore KVs for people to use online, and that the number of consoles with the ability to be modified is limited and will also run out eventually, and that most of them are Xenons and therefore will die eventually anyways.

    On the other hand they aren't going to stop producing development machines, and their will always be a few slipping through the cracks, and they will always be capable of the same things.

    No I don't work for M$ this is totally speculation, but i put some thought into it before i speculated, it's my 2 cents on the matter. Sorry for the long post.
     
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  17. Krypton_VII

    Krypton_VII Peppy Member

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    Not trying to go offtopic, or be a douche or anything, but your post is very hard to read when it doesn't have any spacing between paragraphs. I lose focus very quickly because it's just this big wall of text.

    However, for the most part your points seem accurate. I agree with most of what you said, and yeah, KVs aren't infinite hehe..
     
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  18. ASSEMbler

    ASSEMbler Administrator Staff Member

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    He might be using a phone
     
  19. johnace

    johnace Grumpy Old Man

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    That could be true, I use a iPhone for the bulk of my general Internet usage and if you write a long post you can't scroll back up to proof read nevermind editing/puctuation.
     
  20. Krypton_VII

    Krypton_VII Peppy Member

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    Hmm? I have two iPhones. A 2G and a 3GS and they could always scroll back up when typing something in a text box and going beyond the text box's height. They always could, since like.. the 1.x.x firmware's I believe..

    But yeah possible. But now this is getting off-topic.. Sorry didn't mean to do that, just thought I'd point it out for next time. So lets just get back on topic I guess, if you wanna continue this just PM me.
     
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