why can't people realise the freaking obvious instead of asking other dumb people

Don't assume I'm talking about you guys. If I were talking about you, I would've post this on another website. I'm talking about "other people."

I'm tired of everybody in my life thinking, "you have to hear it somewhere" just to be true. The thing is I have a brain, I could discover things by myself, I don't need someone to tell me everything. I just don't mouch off of people's quotes like everybody else does, without adding my own two cents about things.

It's like this, one guy is watching a movie and waits to see if something funny is after the credits. There just so happens to be a hillarious scene after the credits. He looks up the Wikipedia page for it. They don't have it written on there about the scene at the end. He then goes to edit Wikipedia, to include stuff about the scene on there. The next day it gets deleted, and he clicks on the discussion page. One dumbass writes "Give me where you cited this information from." He doesn't need any citation dumbass, just get the freaking movie and see for your freaking selves.

This is exactly why I regret discovering assembly language and video game programming back when I was like 16 years old. I discovered all this knowledge from myself, and realised tons of things nobody else realised, because (most) everybody else on internet forums only beleive in what people told them without analysing anything or ignoring the possibilities of there being a catch or delusion in it.

 

I understand what you're saying as citation and sourcing can be rather annoying but unfortunately it is an important part of on and offline literature. It seems better to have one rule for everything to maintain some kind of quality control and coherency than let a few things slip through the net.

If you were writing a paper on the percentage of movies which have post credit content, it would be unrealistic to sit and fast forward every movie in your study and so a referenced encyclopedia would benefit you greatly. Of course the person on the discussion board realises that a citation for something so trivial is a little ridiculous, but establishing a team to sift through every input to see if it is citation worthy or not would take far more man hours and resources. It's not an ideal scenario but that's how it goes.

If you're interested in the issues wikipedia have with this at the moment you might want to check out the latest EDGE magazine by future publishing, they have a great article on the way wikipedia is evolving from a people's information forum into a substantial online reference.

I had a similar problem at university, I studied geography, and some of the things I knew and discussed in many of my papers was knowledge I had acquired when I was quite young and yet it had to be referenced in some form. I argued and argued that if I was to follow some of the rules to the letter I would have to cite my mum and some preschool teachers as sources for some of the content. Of course they didn't expect me to go that far, common sense does prevail when we're lucky but in general everything had to be supported in some form.

The reasons for this are quite important. It protects IP and of course it prevents plagarism. At a university level somethings can go without reference because the expected audience is likely to be educated in the topic enough to know when the author is discussing the work of others.

The danger with wikipedia is that anybody can read it and generally...people are stupid. Now a reference to movie credits is no big deal, however if I go and edit the page on cancer and slip in a small comment about how it could be beneficial to your health to stand in front of high emissions of gamma radiation then well someone could suffer from that. With a relevant appropriate source then it is fair to state that and removes the liability from wikipedia if anything happens to anybody as a result of reading it.

Anyway, in a nutshell. I do agree with you on the anal approach to completely irrelevant pieces of info but on the other hand I completely respect the reason for them rejecting it without citation in the first place.

Unless you're a researcher in a new field there is no such thing as original knowledge anymore.

 

Your case is a simple one. A person with moderating power who knows jack about anything VS. one who has seen something and has to tell the world about it...

Don't take the internet seriously as you will be disappointed by it a lot. This generation does take it seriously and will end up de-evolving the way things work...

 

I know how you feel, that's why I stopped bothering with writing Wiki articles. Back in the day there was no 64DD topic actually and I did the first one ever in there (proud!). Then I decided to contribute a tad more in other fields too.. but there's just so many idiots editing and moderating that it's an endless loop. As aforementioned, don't take the 'net too seriously.

 

People act like I need to have a college degree in able for me to contribute information that I discovered by myself. Just because I'm a teenager, doesn't mean that I'm not smart enough to know what I'm talking about, regardless if I have a cited page or not.

 

Just don't give up...

Einstein sucked at test taking at school and look where he ended up... in the patent office...

 

Then if you discovered it yourself, write a paper on it, stick it on a webpage and then cite yourself.

You really need to drop this self importance thing. A lot of people figure things out for themselves but the bottom line is, unless you've discovered something completely new and original then someone else knows what you know too.

It's understandable that you want to shout out and let the world know that you're amazing but when it comes to something being referenced then a well established source will overrule you and anybody else who tries to contribute everytime. It's just the way the world works.

Take for example your thread on CPU comparisons, amazing stuff I personally would love to know even a fraction what you know about assembly and machine code BUT you state often that you have made these amazing discoveries...I'm sure they are interesting but they are not your discovery alone, take into consideration the manufacturer of the chip and all of the people who had experience with these chips when they were first made as well as those who don't use the internet and don't scream and shout about everything they come across. If you were 100% positive that there was something really valuable in your efforts you could take it to an authority who would publish it and represent it for you giving you a much greater credibility amongst your peers.

You're a talented guy but you're running around this forum repeatedly telling us that you have this amazing ability to understand something without any help whatsoever. WE ALL DO it's called intuition it's just the majority of us don't like to appear arrogant so we keep quiet.

 

That was the old me. I'm starting to see a light at the end of the tunnel now. I don't do that anymore, at least I don't purposely do that.

How exactly would you feel if you knew the Super Nintendo was as fast as the Sega Genesis, but didn't know why you knew that you just knew that you did, and you were afraid to say it and everybody makes comments like these:

I'm always with the intent of making an extreme action game for the Super Nintendo just to prove him the fuck wrong! But little do dicktards like him realize that 1) good games need a team of people working on it. 2) good games need a lot of time to do. I want some time to relax, I don't like staying up all night working on something with the purpose of proving someone wrong.

I should have freedom of speech, but I have to worry about not pissing people off by stupid little things just because I'm always afraid of getting raped online by dickheads constantly. I like to relax. I don't like thinking. I try to avoid thinking so I can finally relax, but there is always a stupid consequence in doing it, and the more I relax the more worry I'll get.

I'm going to relax right now because I just said what I always wanted to say but was afraid of saying it.

 

Just ignore pricks like that. If you were to pull out the stops and make a game to prove a point they would just make fun of something else like your sprites or game name etc.

The world's full of dicks, can't fight them all.

 

In college, I used to just make up resources whenever I needed to cite something but was too lazy to actually look it up. No one ever ever ever called me on it. The lesson I learned is that no one ever reads footnotes.

 

You got lucky. I have personally failed students out of a course on the first assignment for plagiarism and failed assignments for misuse of references.

 

You're just now realizing people are dipshits? You must be young.